Challenge

[withheldforprivacy]

1. No Grey Buu; Fat Buu just transforms to Super Buu.
2. No Goku's statement inside Buu's body; leave the ''who's the strongest issue'' open to anyone's judgement/liking.
3. Gohan goes SSJ1 at Budokai.

 

[Let's Go Fearless!]

Ooh, that is a good one. Gotenks as a Super Saiyan only does make a shit ton of sense.

I don't need Goku to be the strongest though.

Goku doesn't have to be the strongest though, that would be Gohan just 7 years ago.

 

[Victorious]

Whatever would make SSJ3 Gotenks only like 1.33x SSJ3 Goku. Buu merely eating himself and getting like an SSJ4 type power up is ridiculous and makes no sense.

 

[Captain Cadaver]

His energy could only feed Buu if he was damaged though CC.

That's why I'd rewrite it when it came to SS2 tier Ki. This level would be far beyond anything Babidi could anticipate, so having it be so large that damage isn't necessary for it to skyrocket Boo's meter wouldn't be too farfetched. As long as we have some explanation on why Kaioshits went all pussified against Pui Pui and Yakon after seeing SS2 Gohan.

 

[Zippy]

I can do it in one

AT: Lets not make another saga pls

 

[p123]

I see CC. Maybe that's a good option.

 

[Super Neko Majin Z]

Kaioshin and Dabura are SSJ2-tier.
Only one kind of fusion.
Seven years of training actually matter.

 

[Let's Go Fearless!]

Kaioshin and Dabura are SSJ2-tier.
Only one kind of fusion.
Seven years of training actually matter.

What do you mean about 7 years of training?

 

[Super Neko Majin Z]

Aside from new forms, the Saiyans' strength barely goes up at all from the Cell Games. I mean, come on, seven years and Vegeta still hasn't surpassed Gohan? WTF, Toriyama? Compare that to the Android Saga, when even the jobbers are stronger than the villain last arc.

 

[Let's Go Fearless!]

Aside from new forms, the Saiyans' strength barely goes up at all from the Cell Games. I mean, come on, seven years and Vegeta still hasn't surpassed Gohan? WTF, Toriyama? Compare that to the Android Saga, when even the jobbers are stronger than the villain last arc.

But Vegeta's training did matter since he surpass the Ssjin wall and also it was a storytelling that Goku surpassed Gohan and Vegeta didn't IMO.

 

[p123]

If you think about it, isn't the Buu Saga the only saga where no real power ups were attained? I mean from the start of the arc, we have Goku and Vegeta just unveiling their power, ok Vegeta had a bit of a Majin Boost, but Goku and Vegeta didn't train and get stronger. Gohan and Gotenks did.

 

[Let's Go Fearless!]

Because they can fuse later into a stronger warrior IMO.

 

[p123]

True. Ssj2 was a gimme, then Ssj3 was the new one, but then the final was fusion. Good point. Honestly, fuck the Buu Saga, that shit is non canon. Goku was so much cooler the previous arc.

 

[Captain Cadaver]

It also doesn't help that the power ups were completely lazy at this point. From the start of the manga up until the Freeza Arc, you had detailed training segments that really helped you feel the effort the characters were going through to reach a new level (aside from the Choshinsui asspull). By the time of the Boo Arc, power up regimes were just dances or sitting still.

 

[p123]

Agreed. Buu Saga most likely needs to be dismissed. At minimum, it's need a total overhaul. Piccolo needs much more respect.

Honestly the beginning of the saga should be all about the humans and Piccolo fighting off Badibi. We should probably get Majin Piccolo and Majin Vegeta along with Majin Dabura. Goku, Gohan and the boys will have to team up to fight them off. Super Saiyan 3 is too much for Goku. It's just unnecessary honestly, the stupid hair. It's dumb.

 

[Pyro]

Well, what are the key issues with this saga?

a) Gotenks
b) Gohan
c) Majin Boo

You can go further and split them into sub-topics and sub-sub-topics.

a) Gotenks
a1) Pre-RoSaT Base power
-aI) What's the one statement that props him up the most or drags him down the most?
a2) Post-RoSaT Base power
-aII) What's the one statement that props him up the most or drags him down the most?

b) Gohan
b1) Super Saiyan or Super Saiyan 2?
-bI) What's the one statement that affects this outcome the most?
b2) Unlocked potential the mightiest of all?
-bII) What's the one statement that affects this outcome the most?

c) Majin Boo
c1) What the fuck happened with Pure Evil Boo eating Good Boo and becoming Evil Boo?
-cI) What's the one statement that makes things unclear?

:faggots

 

[p123]

Good breakdown KP.

1) I like the story with Gotenks being a bit stronger than Goku. I don't see an issue with that. I don't like the strength of Base Gotenks. Based on the reactions, he has to at least be stronger than the Super Saiyan boy's power. That puts on a lot of stress of the power leveler to ramp up the difference between Super Saiyan boys and Super Saiyan 3 Goku by a shit ton. I would be fine with Base Gotenks being a weakling by comparison. I don't think he needs to be strong if we intend on keeping the 50x boost here.

2) Post Base Power, this thing is fucked, he should be nowhere near his Super Saiyan self, which has multiple statements suggested he is, no matter how much stronger he gets, he needs to have the boys get a lot stronger as well. And for Base > Post, no matter how small the multiplier, it's impossible. Goten and Trunks are not stronger than their dads now.

3) Gohan is an easy fix imo. If you fix the art make him a Super Saiyan 2, there are only two issues that I can think of.
His statement about Initial Fat Buu, probably needs tweaking. I rather have Buu weaker than Dabura and Gohan, explaining Dabura's confidence and Gohan's attitude as well as Vegeta's mockery. The second issue, I would tweak how Gohan speaks about Goku's damage power, he speaks as if it's on another level.

Besides those two statements and of course the art, there is literally nothing else that suggests Gohan is a Super Saiyan. Which is why I feel Gohan being a Super Saiyan 2 is best for the story. It also allows you to have Gohan >>> Kaioshin >> Piccolo, which is how it should be imo. Also let's South Kaioshin be Perfect Cell level, which is entirely respectable for the strongest God.

Ah, you also have to change Majin Vegeta into a Super Saiyan 2 from the getgo. We can't portray Super Saiyan Majin Vegeta as the beast he is. Also, Kaioshin getting shitted on by Super Saiyan Goku needs to get changed into Super Saiyan 2. I think those are some minor changes honestly, but others might not agree.

I have no issues with Gohan's power ups throughout the saga, they are deeply tied to his dormant potential, so no issues in my book.

I have answers for the Buu situation. I think there needs to be a statement that says after Fat is ejected from Kid, he regains his former power. Then after that, all problems fixed in my book.

 

[KyuubiAhri]

1. No Gotenks

I though we were friends

 

[Let's Go Fearless!]

Dabura and Babidi thought that SSjin Vegeta is enough to get the job done which Dabura couldn't in the first place.

SSjin Majin Vegeta > Dabura, therefore Gohan was SSjin.

 

[phill1123]

Fearless is not a god. I am the only god. Gohan was logically a Super Saiyan.