Champa vs Omega Shenron

[super_dodon_wave]

Heyo I'm new. So I figured I might as well do a battle that can get people intrigued. So what do you guys think?
Omega Shenron has all the abilities of the shadow dragons and insane regen, but Champa isn't much weaker than Beerus
Thoughts?

 

[SSJ3 Gothic]

It hurts me when I say things like this, but I think Champa takes this pretty easily. It's true about that regen...if Omega could somehow keep that up for a crazy amount of time, he might be able to wear down Champa through attrition.

 

[Male]

Hi,

Beerus and Whis are far above SSJ 4 Goku and Baby Vegeta Great Ape. However, when we get to the Android 17 saga I have them being defeated now. Mostly because of SSJ Goku's performance. Goku was defeated by 17 as an SSJ but Goku did better than Majubb and SSJ 2 Vegeta. SSJ 2 Vegeta seems to also be stronger than Majubb and is above Super Baby Vegeta's final form bar the great ape.

Its pretty bloated to be honest but GT was crazy bloated. To be honest I think Toei just really not care for any sort of consistency when it came to power levels. Oh SSJ 2 Vegeta gets beat up but SSJ Goku can fight better but there the same power kind of nonsense. However, if we go with levels then I have no choice but to put Beerus behind SSJ 4 Goku(17 arc) and Super 17(Post Kamehameha). However, Initial Super 17 is would be defeated by Beerus and Whis. 17 would not be able to absorb Godly Ki and would have to fight with only his initial Full power and that just falls to short.

I have the initial SSJ 4 Transformation x10 SSJ3. However, after this I lower it to 5x as I feel more of the power is included in Goku's base and SSJ form.

In numbers.

Whis: 4,500,000

Beerus: 3,000,000

Baby Saga GT:

Goku:
~Base: 560
~SSJ: 2,800
~SSJ 2: 5,600
~SSJ 3: 16,800/with Tail: 25,000
~SSJ 4: 250,000

Baby Vegeta
~Form 1: 18,000
~Form 2: 36,000
~Form 3: 100,000
~Great Ape Baby: 250,000


Super 17 Arc:

Super 17(Initial):
~Holding Back: 170,000
~Full Power: 2,500,000
~Post Ki Blasts: 3,200,000
~Post 10x Kamehameha: 6,400,000 (I do not think 17 can absorb all of the Ki)

Goku:
~Base: 30,000
~ SSJ: 150,000
~SSJ 2: 300,000
~ SSJ 3: 900,000
~ SSJ 4: 4,500,000
~Post Ki blasts: 3,600,000
~Post Kamehameha: 2,800,000
~Self Destruction: 14,000,000

So I do not like the idea of 17 being able to absorb all of the 10x Kamehameha. Its just to much of a massive increase for me. So I say he absorbs as much as he can and whatever is to much at once is filtered out.


Now I do have other ways of thinking of this also. That Beerus and Whis are greater than Omega Shenron. Which I have no issue with also.

 

[super_dodon_wave]

Hi,

Beerus and Whis are far above SSJ 4 Goku and Baby Vegeta Great Ape. However, when we get to the Android 17 saga I have them being defeated now. Mostly because of SSJ Goku's performance. Goku was defeated by 17 as an SSJ but Goku did better than Majubb and SSJ 2 Vegeta. SSJ 2 Vegeta seems to also be stronger than Majubb and is above Super Baby Vegeta's final form bar the great ape.

Its pretty bloated to be honest but GT was crazy bloated. To be honest I think Toei just really not care for any sort of consistency when it came to power levels. Oh SSJ 2 Vegeta gets beat up but SSJ Goku can fight better but there the same power kind of nonsense. However, if we go with levels then I have no choice but to put Beerus behind SSJ 4 Goku(17 arc) and Super 17(Post Kamehameha). However, Initial Super 17 is would be defeated by Beerus and Whis. 17 would not be able to absorb Godly Ki and would have to fight with only his initial Full power and that just falls to short.

I have the initial SSJ 4 Transformation x10 SSJ3. However, after this I lower it to 5x as I feel more of the power is included in Goku's base and SSJ form.

In numbers.

Whis: 4,500,000

Beerus: 3,000,000

Baby Saga GT:

Goku:
~Base: 560
~SSJ: 2,800
~SSJ 2: 5,600
~SSJ 3: 16,800/with Tail: 25,000
~SSJ 4: 250,000

Baby Vegeta
~Form 1: 18,000
~Form 2: 36,000
~Form 3: 100,000
~Great Ape Baby: 250,000


Super 17 Arc:

Super 17(Initial):
~Holding Back: 170,000
~Full Power: 2,500,000
~Post Ki Blasts: 3,200,000
~Post 10x Kamehameha: 6,400,000 (I do not think 17 can absorb all of the Ki)

Goku:
~Base: 30,000
~ SSJ: 150,000
~SSJ 2: 300,000
~ SSJ 3: 900,000
~ SSJ 4: 4,500,000
~Post Ki blasts: 3,600,000
~Post Kamehameha: 2,800,000
~Self Destruction: 14,000,000

So I do not like the idea of 17 being able to absorb all of the 10x Kamehameha. Its just to much of a massive increase for me. So I say he absorbs as much as he can and whatever is to much at once is filtered out.


Now I do have other ways of thinking of this also. That Beerus and Whis are greater than Omega Shenron. Which I have no issue with also.

But what about the Universal feat between Beerus and Ssj God Goku? I know a lot of people bring that up too much but I figured I might as well include feats for both sides.

 

[Animelover5487]

Beerus and Champa > All of GT

Beerus and Champa can destroy both of their universes just by fighting, no character in GT showed those kinds of feats.

 

[Six Trails]

Holy heck does Super Yi Xing Long stomp (in my opinion). The only Super character I see beating top tier GT characters is that Xeno whatever guy.

 

[kriss-]

Omega Shenron has never shown the ability to destroy the Universe while the Gods of destruction have several feats and multiple statements proving that they can.

Omega Shenron is one-shotted.

 

[Male]

Hi,

Beerus and Whis are far above SSJ 4 Goku and Baby Vegeta Great Ape. However, when we get to the Android 17 saga I have them being defeated now. Mostly because of SSJ Goku's performance. Goku was defeated by 17 as an SSJ but Goku did better than Majubb and SSJ 2 Vegeta. SSJ 2 Vegeta seems to also be stronger than Majubb and is above Super Baby Vegeta's final form bar the great ape.

Its pretty bloated to be honest but GT was crazy bloated. To be honest I think Toei just really not care for any sort of consistency when it came to power levels. Oh SSJ 2 Vegeta gets beat up but SSJ Goku can fight better but there the same power kind of nonsense. However, if we go with levels then I have no choice but to put Beerus behind SSJ 4 Goku(17 arc) and Super 17(Post Kamehameha). However, Initial Super 17 is would be defeated by Beerus and Whis. 17 would not be able to absorb Godly Ki and would have to fight with only his initial Full power and that just falls to short.

I have the initial SSJ 4 Transformation x10 SSJ3. However, after this I lower it to 5x as I feel more of the power is included in Goku's base and SSJ form.

In numbers.

Whis: 4,500,000

Beerus: 3,000,000

Baby Saga GT:

Goku:
~Base: 560
~SSJ: 2,800
~SSJ 2: 5,600
~SSJ 3: 16,800/with Tail: 25,000
~SSJ 4: 250,000

Baby Vegeta
~Form 1: 18,000
~Form 2: 36,000
~Form 3: 100,000
~Great Ape Baby: 250,000


Super 17 Arc:

Super 17(Initial):
~Holding Back: 170,000
~Full Power: 2,500,000
~Post Ki Blasts: 3,200,000
~Post 10x Kamehameha: 6,400,000 (I do not think 17 can absorb all of the Ki)

Goku:
~Base: 30,000
~ SSJ: 150,000
~SSJ 2: 300,000
~ SSJ 3: 900,000
~ SSJ 4: 4,500,000
~Post Ki blasts: 3,600,000
~Post Kamehameha: 2,800,000
~Self Destruction: 14,000,000

So I do not like the idea of 17 being able to absorb all of the 10x Kamehameha. Its just to much of a massive increase for me. So I say he absorbs as much as he can and whatever is to much at once is filtered out.


Now I do have other ways of thinking of this also. That Beerus and Whis are greater than Omega Shenron. Which I have no issue with also.

But what about the Universal feat between Beerus and Ssj God Goku? I know a lot of people bring that up too much but I figured I might as well include feats for both sides.

It was stated in the manga aswell as the episode 12's title that the shockwaves of their clashes will have an impact on the whole universe "literally shaking the universe" and beyond. How do i know the other world was affected too? Easy. Even the Kaioshin Realm was affected which lies outside of the whole giant ball which Akira Toriyama envisioned in his map.

 

[Let's Go Fearless!]

This is a one side match. Champa would destroy this clown.

 

[Pocket-God]

Omega Shenron finger flicks-

 

[Captain Cadaver]

Champa oneshots. Unless Yi Xing Long suddenly gains access to Liang's ability to nerf his opponent, his attacks aren't going to do anything to someone who's Universe level.

 

[Flame]

I'm going with Omega. We can't get an exact power on DBS characters until the series is over but I don't have Champa as high as I have Omega currently, so imo Omega wins easily.

 

[Future Warrior]

I'm gonna have to go with Champa

 

[Pakl]

GT frats are inconsistent... By feats Nappa > SSjin 4 Goku

Anyway, power scaling has Yi Xing Long stronger considering the fact GT Base Goku is stronger than SSjin Vegetto at least in the SD arc

 

[Event Horizon]

Champa finger flicks with 1% of his power!

 

[Spiral-Force]

Champa one-shots Omega along with the GT Universe without much effort.

 

[Pakl]

Omega Shenron stomps

 

[Let's Go Fearless!]

Why does Omega Shenron has to suffer this fate?

 

[Tapion]

Beerus's feats are inconsistent. When he is suppressed to less than 10% of his power, he can destroy an universe, but when he is using his full-power he can only destroy TWO universes rather than ten. Perfect logic right there

 

[Spiral-Force]

Beerus's feats are inconsistent. When he is suppressed to less than 10% of his power, he can destroy an universe, but when he is using his full-power he can only destroy TWO universes rather than ten. Perfect logic right there

Just because Beerus can destroy 1 Universe 10 times over doesn't mean that he is Multi-Universe level.

I'd recommend that you read this to get a better understanding of tiers: http://vsbattles.wikia.com/wiki/Tiering_System