Chapter 20 Leaks (Spoilers Obviously)

[ekrolo2]

Maybe, or maybe its just the honored tradition of Future Trunks centric stories ignoring background stuff like that

 

[Keedounan]

Both the anime and the manga have a problem by making Black only this weak: how the fuck does he kill Hit exactly?

Like this:

It was stated that Goku Black destroyed many planets. I don't have any other logical explanation.

 

[Papasmurf]

Maybe, or maybe its just the honored tradition of Future Trunks centric stories ignoring background stuff like that

Goku: willing to use the 1 day to participate in a generic assed tournament. Earth being ravaged by androids? Fuck that.

 

[ekrolo2]

The problem with that is Black doesn't do that to Earth, he just randomly decides to fuck around there for a whole year when he can sneeze and destroy all of it. They don't even make any excuse like "Goku's subconscious is holding Black back" or "Black's killed every other worthwhile fighter and he's bored".

 

[Let's Go Fearless!]

Maybe Zamasu was busy outlasting Hit with his immortality while Black was busy killing everybody else

Either that, or you know, time ring hax. Just jump over to when Hit is asleep and one-shot him.

You're mocking me

BTW, am I the only one who like SSJin Black design in the manga?

 

[Papasmurf]

The problem with that is Black doesn't do that to Earth, he just randomly decides to fuck around there for a whole year when he can sneeze and destroy all of it. They don't even make any excuse like "Goku's subconscious is holding Black back" or "Black's killed every other worthwhile fighter and he's bored".

Didn't they at least explain in the anime that they hated the Earthlings most for achieving time travel and would torment them slowly?

 

[ekrolo2]

Super Saiyan Black looks really good, I just dislike the fact Toyotaro is randomly giving him the black outline around the eyes when he didn't have them before. Its one advantage Turles has over most other versions of evil Goku: he's got Goku's regular eyes and it doesn't lessen him as a villain.

 

[Let's Go Fearless!]

Trunks committed a huge sin by changing the history in the present timeline so.

 

[Papasmurf]

He'll add the outlines in volume form when those chapters are compiled perhaps? There are a lot of scattered art errors in Super, such as Vegeta's suit not being fully inked in. Plus, SSJ Blue's aura randomly changed between the Rosat and the U6 tournament arc as well.

 

[ekrolo2]

I'd say him adding the outlines is about as likely as the F manga being completed and sold with the Super one. Figure out the power levels of that shit if it ever happens.

 

[Papasmurf]

Yeah, on second thought the second volume still contained a few of the FT arc chapters, so never mind that. There's no way they'd do a reprint for such a thing.

 

[Papasmurf]

But really, this type of thing is nothing new for DB. Piccolo Daimao and his henchmen all had white nails until they were randomly colored in black prior to his fight with Goku at King Castle, which is also the reason why the anime depicts Namekian fingernails as white while the manga otherwise consistently depicts them as black.

 

[ekrolo2]

TheDevilsCorpse is currently releasing tweets about the newest chapter and it reveals more things about Black's power. When he first got Goku's body, he assumed he'd be able to use all of the power immediately but like Ginyu before him, the mind switch disrupted all of the progress Goku made since his mind is out of sync with the body (ki is a physhical and mental thing so this isn't too far fetched).

Originally, he couldn't even use Super Saiyan which explains why he doesn't kill Trunks, this also explains (with a later mention by Future Zamasu) that Black intentionally went to this timeline to power himself up so he could get stronger and move on to other timelines to continue the Zero Mortals Plan.

Every time Black gets hurt then heals, his mind and body become more in sync with one another which allows him to gradually activate dormant abilities like the Super Saiyan forms.

 

[Papasmurf]

Yeah, he says with every zenkai he can feel damaged cells regrowing and adapting to his mind, although him gaining "zenkais" from fighting Trunks seems retarded when he commented Vegeta beating him up was just enough to trigger an increase, yet we've yet to see Black really injured by Trunks at all (including in that fight where he let Trunks live).

But I still don't get why the fuck Goku dropped out of SSJ Blue. This wasn't an issue in the anime since that 1/10 stamina BS wasn't discussed in detail, but they explicitly stated last arc that transforming in and out is waaaaaaaay more draining than staying in the form, so it's dumb as hell to do so in battle.

 

[ekrolo2]

This goes back to the problem of manga! Black: Zamasu HAS to be around him for this whole idea to make sense but he isn't since Trunks has no clue who Zamasu is or that Black has a partner.

Would it have REALLY killed them to have a throwaway line where Black says he used the Dragon Balls to give himself a healing factor to explain how he can get slapped around, seemingly be fine then power up from it?

 

[Papasmurf]

In the anime you could at least assume having a Kaio/Kaioshin's soul interacted with his body differently to give him cheapassed potential + recovery that other Saiyans don't have, but in the manga it's explicitly shown that Zamasu healing him activates these increases so at best you could argue Black let himself be wounded during some of his battles with Trunks that we don't see and went over to his buddy to heal up.

My guess for why they don't use the Dragon Ball explanation is that it'd beg the question of why he doesn't just wish himself immortal then if he is willing to use their power to give himself regen.

 

[ekrolo2]

I think a good work around for the immortality thing is that it takes the challenge out of combat. I know this is anime only (so far) but Future Zamasu mentions how he can't feel anything anymore after becoming immortal. This need for "adversity" and challenge is what makes him go for a healing factor instead of immortality since nothing can really challenge a guy who's essentially unkillable/invincible.

 

[Pyro]

Trunks simply never saw Zamasu (and didn't sense him due to God ki). Doesn't mean he wasn't around.

 

[Papasmurf]

And back on the subject of how Black chooses to abuse his zenkais, I too really find it odd how he didn't just have Zamasu hack away at him and then heal him considering that's exactly what Vegeta did on namek with Kuririn. It'd be one thing if he gets specifically big increases from fighting Goku and/or Saiyans which the anime implied he does, but Black really only explains that he spammed zenkais to control Goku's power.

 

[Pyro]

We're probably supposed to assume he only gets it from fighting Saiyans, although that's a ridiculous concept itself since his body shouldn't be able to tell "oh, this is a Saiyan's doing!"