DBS Anime Power Levels

[Animelover5487]

SSJB Goku (Vs Jiren) > UI Sign Goku (Vs Kefla)?

"It was without a doubt, no being that could've won against this Broly existed. After the beating he had received, this much was clear to him. To Frieza, he represented a potential powerful weapon."

That line means that Broly SSJ > UI Goku (ToP).

Goku can't use UI at will and Jiren is from another universe so that statement could still work without SSJ Broly necessarily being stronger than them.

 

[GreatSaiyaman123]

SSJB Goku (Vs Jiren) > UI Sign Goku (Vs Kefla)?

"It was without a doubt, no being that could've won against this Broly existed. After the beating he had received, this much was clear to him. To Frieza, he represented a potential powerful weapon."

That line means that Broly SSJ > UI Goku (ToP).

Goku could fight Jiren fairly well in Episode 122 with just SSJB, and Vegeta noted Jiren has the strongest Ki he ever felt. Vegeta also says Jiren is pulling his punches, but I'm not sure if he's comparing Jiren to how he was vs Goku just now or how he was vs UI Sign Goku earlier.

What do you think? Did Goku power up again after he fought Kefla? I'm thinking the only time Goku power ups in the ToP is when he's fighting Kefla, and maybe right after.

Goku can't use UI at will and Jiren is from another universe so that statement could still work without SSJ Broly necessarily being stronger than them.

"No being that could've won against this Broly existed [in this universe]"? Yeah, I can see that. I mean UI Goku doesn't really "exist" at this point so we might count him out.

 

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Goku could fight Jiren fairly well in Episode 122 with just SSJB, and Vegeta noted Jiren has the strongest Ki he ever felt. Vegeta also says Jiren is pulling his punches, but I'm not sure if he's comparing Jiren to how he was vs Goku just now or how he was vs UI Sign Goku earlier.

What do you think? Did Goku power up again after he fought Kefla? I'm thinking the only time Goku power ups in the ToP is when he's fighting Kefla, and maybe right after.



"No being that could've won against this Broly existed [in this universe]"? Yeah, I can see that. I mean UI Goku doesn't really "exist" at this point so we might count him out.

UI Goku (ToP) > Jiren (Beyond Limits) > Jiren (FP) > Belmod ~ Broly SSJFP >= Beerus >>>>>>> Broly SSJ >>>>> Golden Frieza (Arc Broly) >>> Goku / Vegeta SSJB (Arc Broly)?

Is there a possibility that Kefla SSJ is >>>>> Goku SSJB Kaioken x20?

I think Goku got stronger in his fights against the 2 female Saiyans and with Kefla, but not to a great level, since in the fight against Agnilasa, there seemed to be Goku SSJB, Vegeta SSJB, Golden Frieza, Ultimate Gohan and Android #17 more or less in the same league.

Goku Base (Genkidama) was confident in defeating Jiren, even though the latter easily defeated Goku SSJB Kaioken x20.

I like to think that Goku and Vegeta got stronger in their singles matches against Jiren, right before Vegeta transformed into SSJBE.

 

[GreatSaiyaman123]

@SIAD SSJ Kefla ~ KKx20 SSJB Goku >=< Agnilaza >>> SSJB Goku >> SSJB Vegeta > 17 ~ Gohan ~ Golden Freeza

 

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@SIAD SSJ Kefla ~ KKx20 SSJB Goku >=< Agnilaza >>> SSJB Goku >> SSJB Vegeta > 17 ~ Gohan ~ Golden Freeza

UI Goku (ToP) > Jiren (Beyond Limits) > Jiren (FP) > Belmod ~ Broly SSJFP >= Beerus >>>>>>> Broly SSJ >>>>> Golden Frieza (Arc Broly) >>> Goku / Vegeta SSJB (Arc Broly)?

 

[GreatSaiyaman123]

@SIAD I think Broly just has to he > Jiren. New main villain is stronger than old main villain. That’s basic storytelling. Not sure whether he needs SSJ or LSSJ though.

What do you think of Jiren (Ep 122)? Vegeta says he’s got the strongest Ki he ever felt, even though UI Sign Goku (116) > SSJ2 Kefla > UI Sign Goku (110) = Jiren (110). When did Jiren power up? I think it was right at the end of his fight with Goku. He has an aura flared up when he catches Goku’s punch. He probably caught that last punch because he got stronger, not because UI Sign ran out.

Also, Vegeta says Jiren is pulling his punches and was better vs Goku. What does this mean? Is he comparing Jiren’s power to what he did vs SSJB Goku in the same episode or to the power he had vs UI Sign Goku (116)?

 

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@GreatSaiyaman123

Frieza fell unconscious after Android #17 exploded in the Manga?

I mean when I was finishing Chapter 40 of the Manga.

Golden Frieza and Android #17 plan a strategy against Jiren. Golden Frieza stays on one of those loose pieces of the Platform. Android #17 explodes and we don't see Frieza again until Chapter 42 and in his Final Form.

Does it mean Frieza was temporarily unconscious? If so, Frieza didn't know Jiren's full power, UI Sign and UI Goku states.

Is there a chance that Goku has fully recovered from his fight against Kefla, once he faces off against Jiren in Chapter 122?

Goku didn't seem to be superior to Vegeta in equal ways in his fights against the U3 Warriors. However in his fights against Jiren in Chapter 122, Goku seemed far superior to Vegeta, before the latter suited up against Jiren.

 

[GreatSaiyaman123]

Frieza fell unconscious after Android #17 exploded in the Manga?

Nope. It’s said he and 17 were hiding and making their plan.

He did fall unconscious in the anime though, didn’t he? Because I think I missed that on my rewatch.

Is there a chance that Goku has fully recovered from his fight against Kefla, once he faces off against Jiren in Chapter 122?

I think so. He got some time to rest probably didn’t use Kaio-Ken vs Agnilaza to not tire himself out again.

So what if Goku (Rested) > Goku (Vs Kefla) > Goku (Post Kefla) ~ Vegeta > Goku (Start of ToP)?

 

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Nope. It’s said he and 17 were hiding and making their plan.

He did fall unconscious in the anime though, didn’t he? Because I think I missed that on my rewatch.



I think so. He got some time to rest probably didn’t use Kaio-Ken vs Agnilaza to not tire himself out again.

So what if Goku (Rested) > Goku (Vs Kefla) > Goku (Post Kefla) ~ Vegeta > Goku (Start of ToP)?

@GreatSaiyaman123

I like your chain very well.

I think that Goku and Vegeta at the end of the ToP have the level of Frieza Final Form, so they progress a lot in the Tournament.

As for the Manga, do you think that Freeza managed to know the powers of Jiren (FP) and the states of UI Sign or UI Goku?

 

[GreatSaiyaman123]

Yes, he definitely sensed Goku and Jiren in the manga. Not sure about the anime though.

Does Ultra Instinct have a fixed multiplier? Toppo says Jiren has analyzed the depth of Goku’s power and ability vs Kefla, which makes me think Jiren analyzed not only Goku’s fighting style, but the boost he’d gotten.

 

[GreatSaiyaman123]

@SIAD how many times does Jiren power up? This is what I got:

Vegeta says Jiren has the strongest Ki he ever felt in episode 122, so either he was always > 1st and 2nd UI Sign Goku even when they fought or he did a power up off screen.

The first time he does an obvious power up is in 123 after Goku almost rings him out. Goku can keep up a bit, but at the end he literally collapses just by feeling the air pressure of Jiren’s punch. This is the same power that gets pressured by KKx20 SSJB Goku and SSJBE Vegeta.

After Toppo loses or after 17 “dies” he also does a pretty big power up saying he’ll finish things now. This is the power he uses to fight 3rd UI Sign Goku.

And then there’s full power and beyond limits Jiren. There’s also some times he flares his aura in episode 109 and 123, but I don’t think those count.

UI Goku >= BL Jiren > FP Jiren >> FP UIO Goku ~ Near FP Jiren >>> Serious Jiren > KKx20 SSJB Goku + SSJBE Vegeta >>> SSJB Goku (122) ? Initial Jiren > 1st and 2nd UIO Goku

How strong are SSJB Goku and Vegeta in episodes 122 and 123? Goku does very well against Jiren, but Vegeta says he’s holding back. Vegeta does a Final Flash that appears to be above even 2nd UIO Goku.

 

[SIAD]

Yes, he definitely sensed Goku and Jiren in the manga. Not sure about the anime though.

Does Ultra Instinct have a fixed multiplier? Toppo says Jiren has analyzed the depth of Goku’s power and ability vs Kefla, which makes me think Jiren analyzed not only Goku’s fighting style, but the boost he’d gotten.

I'm going with UI Sign Goku Kamehameha (Vs Kefla and Jiren) >>>> UI Sign Goku Speed (Vs Kefla) > Vegeta SSJBE (Final Explosion) >>> Kefla SSJ2 > UI Sign Goku Strength (Vs Kefla) > UI Sign Goku (Vs Jiren).

 

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@SIAD how many times does Jiren power up? This is what I got:

Vegeta says Jiren has the strongest Ki he ever felt in episode 122, so either he was always > 1st and 2nd UI Sign Goku even when they fought or he did a power up off screen.

The first time he does an obvious power up is in 123 after Goku almost rings him out. Goku can keep up a bit, but at the end he literally collapses just by feeling the air pressure of Jiren’s punch. This is the same power that gets pressured by KKx20 SSJB Goku and SSJBE Vegeta.

After Toppo loses or after 17 “dies” he also does a pretty big power up saying he’ll finish things now. This is the power he uses to fight 3rd UI Sign Goku.

And then there’s full power and beyond limits Jiren. There’s also some times he flares his aura in episode 109 and 123, but I don’t think those count.

UI Goku >= BL Jiren > FP Jiren >> FP UIO Goku ~ Near FP Jiren >>> Serious Jiren > KKx20 SSJB Goku + SSJBE Vegeta >>> SSJB Goku (122) ? Initial Jiren > 1st and 2nd UIO Goku

How strong are SSJB Goku and Vegeta in episodes 122 and 123? Goku does very well against Jiren, but Vegeta says he’s holding back. Vegeta does a Final Flash that appears to be above even 2nd UIO Goku.

Jiren (Initial) surpassed the Genkidama pushed by Goku SSJB Kaioken x10.

Then Jiren had to power up to get past Goku SSJB Kaioken x20's Genkidama.

Later Jiren put more effort against UI Sign Goku. Then both as they fought they turned on a little.

Maybe to explain what you mention about Jiren (Chapter 122) beating everyone, it's because at the end of the UI Sign Goku vs Jiren match in Chapter 110 Jiren had a huge power up at the end.

 

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@GreatSaiyaman123 Vegeta in DBS Chapter 116 felt the Ki of UI Sign Goku?

I was thinking Toppo talks about UI Sign Goku's Kamehameha against Kefla, as the benchmark of Goku's best attack. Does it mean that UI Sign Goku's Kamehameha was just as powerful as it was against Kefla and Jiren?

I was thinking that maybe Goku and Vegeta in the ToP still couldn't feel the Ki of the UI Sign and UI forms?

I'm thinking about:

UI Sign Goku Kamehameha (Vs Kefla and Jiren) = UI Sign Goku (3rd Use / Speed) > UI Sign Goku (3rd Use / Strength) > Jiren (Minor Suppressed) >> Jiren (Minor Suppressed) >> UI Sign Goku (Speed against Kefla) > Jiren (Chapter 122) > Vegeta SSJBE (Final Explosion) > Kefla SSJ2 (Power Up) >>> Kefla SSJ2 > UI Sign Goku (Strength against Kefla) > UI Sign Goku (1st Use).

What do you think?

 

[GreatSaiyaman123]

Did everything yet again, up to the start of the ToP. Included the weaker characters like you wanted @Super Saiyan.

@SIAD @Animelover5487 @Bone that bitch bro!

 

[SIAD]

Did everything yet again, up to the start of the ToP. Included the weaker characters like you wanted @Super Saiyan.

@SIAD @Animelover5487 @Bone that bitch bro!

I reviewed it and I like it.

By the way, what levels do you give Jiren, UI Goku, Broly SSJFP and Gogeta SSJB?

 

[GreatSaiyaman123]

I reviewed it and I like it.

By the way, what levels do you give Jiren, UI Goku, Broly SSJFP and Gogeta SSJB?

I already have most of the numbers ready, it's just the weaker characters I haven't calculated yet. Here's the top tier characters:

SSJB Goku: 1.5
~ KKx20: 30
~ Genki-Dama: 300
~ UI Sign: 6,000

Jiren: 6,000
~ Powered up: 10,000

SSJ2 Kefla (Peak): 7,500
UI Sign Goku (Powered up): 9,000

SSJB Goku (Post Kefla): 1,000

SSJB Vegeta (Chapter 122): 1,000
~ Super Final Flash: 10,000

Jiren (Powered up): 25,000
KKx20 SSJB Goku: 20,000
SSJBE Vegeta: 20,000

Hakaishin Toppo: 22,500
SSJBE Vegeta (Enraged): 30,000
~ Final Atonement: 120,000

Jiren (Near FP): 1,000,000
UI Sign Goku (FP): 1,000,000
~ UI: 2,500,000

Jiren (Full power): 2,250,000
~ Beyond limits: 2,500,000

UI Goku (Enraged): 2,750,000

Belmond: 2,160,000

SSJB Goku/Vegeta (Broly): 1,500

Ikari Broly (Peak): 1,350
~ SSJ: 67,500

Gogeta: 60,000
~ SSJ: 150,000

SSJ Broly (Vs Gogeta): 150,000
~ LSSJ: 1,500,000

SSJB Gogeta: 3,750,000
LSSJ Broly (Peak): 3,000,000
Beerus: 2,880,000

 

[SIAD]

I already have most of the numbers ready, it's just the weaker characters I haven't calculated yet. Here's the top tier characters:

SSJB Goku: 1.5
~ KKx20: 30
~ Genki-Dama: 300
~ UI Sign: 6,000

Jiren: 6,000
~ Powered up: 10,000

SSJ2 Kefla (Peak): 7,500
UI Sign Goku (Powered up): 9,000

SSJB Goku (Post Kefla): 1,000

SSJB Vegeta (Chapter 122): 1,000
~ Super Final Flash: 10,000

Jiren (Powered up): 25,000
KKx20 SSJB Goku: 20,000
SSJBE Vegeta: 20,000

Hakaishin Toppo: 22,500
SSJBE Vegeta (Enraged): 30,000
~ Final Atonement: 120,000

Jiren (Near FP): 1,000,000
UI Sign Goku (FP): 1,000,000
~ UI: 2,500,000

Jiren (Full power): 2,250,000
~ Beyond limits: 2,500,000

UI Goku (Enraged): 2,750,000

Belmond: 2,160,000

SSJB Goku/Vegeta (Broly): 1,500

Ikari Broly (Peak): 1,350
~ SSJ: 67,500

Gogeta: 60,000
~ SSJ: 150,000

SSJ Broly (Vs Gogeta): 150,000
~ LSSJ: 1,500,000

SSJB Gogeta: 3,750,000
LSSJ Broly (Peak): 3,000,000
Beerus: 2,880,000

Where do you have Kefla SSJ?

 

[GreatSaiyaman123]

Where do you have Kefla SSJ?

She rivals the Genki-Dama, so 300. But her power kept rising even after going SSJ2, so she eventually surpassed even UI Sign Goku.

 

[SIAD]

She rivals the Genki-Dama, so 300. But her power kept rising even after going SSJ2, so she eventually surpassed even UI Sign Goku.

Where do you have Goku SSJB Kaioken x20 (Vs Kefla)?