Do you agree an amplified blast is at full power even if the user is tired/damaged?

[Hector]

That's what PLG said a while ago.

 

[Warmmedown]

I'm assuming "full power" means "full multiplier" and not the actual battle power value of the attack.

Not necessarily, since they have a limited reservoir of ki (which regenerates with time and with eating/maybe sleeping). So if they're already close to running out of ki, they can't put as much ki into an attack, if the attack's max multiplier would have them empty their reservoir. This would occur more easily with a Final Flash than with a Masenko, because the former is an attack with a higher potential for ki depletion. So if you're very tired and can barely do a full power Masenko, you won't be able to do a full power Super Kamehameha or Final Flash.

Next, there's whether it's actually more difficult to concentrate ki when you're tired, meaning that fighters may be more likely to use a weaker variant of the ki blast, even when they have a big enough ki reservoir. Well do fighters ever say something like "I'm hurt, so it'll be hard to do this beam" or "hard to gather my ki"?

 

[SSJ2]

 

[Power Level Guy]

Yeah, so this is a nuanced discussion. So dependant on a fighter's skill with such attacks, we can find a variety of things to be different. King Piccolo is not the most skilled ki artist, this is the only being in the Dragonball universe who needs to reduce his life span to reach his full power. To make him the end all be all of ki amp is not the right path. But that doesn't mean we discard what's going on here.

Just because a fighter CAN use a full power blast at a greatly reduced level of health, doesn't mean every fighter can.

SSJ Vegeta was severely depleted by Android 19 and despite being far weaker than Gero and Piccolo at the time, Vegeta is able to produce a Big Bang Attack that completely dwarfs the two of them.

SSJ Vegeta utilized a full power BBA on Android 19 despite his weakened condition.

SSJ2 Gohan also performs in the same manner. He's severely depleted here, yet right off the bat he is able to match SPC's FP Kamehameha, which is a solar system buster.

The only reason Gohan isn't winning is because he's holding back, not because he needs to get angry again. Goku urges him to "Release it Gohan!" which is unleashing his full power blast. For some reason, Gohan out of nowhere becomes overly concerned with the condition of the planet. But yeah, Gohan's blast is FP, despite never recovering any ki as well as Vegeta.

 

[SSJ2]

Here's an example of it. Goku had already said that Piccolo's attacks were half as strong as at the start of the fight, and Piccolo was still able to reach the highest power that was seen yet.

So I agree with P that it's a case by case basis at the very least. I'd wager that trying to do two high powered attacks back to back would not be possible at full power as seen with Piccolo Daimao. Like I highly doubt the second Makankosappo was also at exactly full power due to using it in quick succession.

 

[Power Level Guy]

I'd wager that trying to do two high powered attacks back to back would not be possible at full power as seen with Piccolo Daimao.

That’s crazy when we have the SBC.

Like I highly doubt the second Makankosappo was also at exactly full power due to using it in quick succession.

Nah man he implies he can do another full powered one.

King Piccolo isn’t the standard.

 

[SSJ2]

So you think Goku can instantly fire another Shunkan Ido KHH at full power directly after the first one? Why wouldn't he do that then?

 

[Power Level Guy]

So you think Goku can instantly fire another Shunkan Ido KHH at full power directly after the first one? Why wouldn't he do that then?

Well remember, the issue is less than full power. The way you lose your power is probably a big deal.

 

[SSJ2]

Well remember, the issue is less than full power. The way you lose your power is probably a big deal.

So what would be the difference in these instances? They seem pretty similar to me. Both Goku and Piccolo had already expended some energy in battle, but not enough to reduce them to less than full power. Then they use their best, fully amplified attacks. Why would Piccolo be able to fire the same level of attack again when Goku cannot?

 

[Power Level Guy]

Why would Piccolo be able to fire the same level of attack again when Goku cannot?

What are we talking about? The Super Kamehameha here?

 

[SSJ2]

What are we talking about? The Super Kamehameha here?

No, the Shunkan Ido KHH. I'm saying why is Piccolo able to fire his top technique twice when Goku can't do the same?

 

[Power Level Guy]

No, the Shunkan Ido KHH. I'm saying why is Piccolo able to fire his top technique twice when Goku can't do the same?

I think Piccolo’s slow charge process allows him to take less ki out of his reserves than something like a CG level Kamehameha does.

 

[Hector]

So you think Goku can instantly fire another Shunkan Ido KHH at full power directly after the first one? Why wouldn't he do that then?

Well remember, the issue is less than full power. The way you lose your power is probably a big deal.

Is it possible the reserves of the amplified attack are independent of the user's stamina and depend only on how much you've used that attack already in the battle? So the first time one fires an amp attack, it's at full power even if the user is weakened. Then, if the user fires that attack again, it's weaker, because its reserves have been reduced.

 

[SIAD]

Is the name of Piccolo Daimao's final attack spelled Bakuriki-Maha or Bakurikimaha or are both names okay?

 

[GSM123]

This is why Vegeta must be further weakened by the BBA. No way his power didn’t take a dip after he just fired a FP blast in his weakened state.

Is the name of Piccolo Daimao's final attack spelled Bakuriki-Maha or Bakurikimaha or are both names okay?

Both are okay.

 

[Power Level Guy]

This is why Vegeta must be further weakened by the BBA. No way his power didn’t take a dip after he just fired a FP blast in his weakened state.

It's tough because that is what seems logical, but Vegeta only brings up his absorption as the reason he's lost power.

 

[GSM123]

It's tough because that is what seems logical, but Vegeta only brings up his absorption as the reason he's lost power.

The BBA wouldn’t have drained that much power if he weren’t so fatigued already.

Also just to clear up the 19 post vs 20 pre debate. It’s stated that 19 and 20 don’t have infinite energy, so he probably lost a lot of power when he got beat up and definitely burned a ton of energy to hold Vegeta.