Dragon Ball Chou (Manga) Strongest Characters Remake

[MikaelHarding]

0. Zeno/Future Zeno
1. Grand Priest
2. The Angels (Whis, Vados, Etc)
3. Vegito (SSB) (Stated by Shin to have surpassed Beerus)
4. Beerus, Quitela
5. Granolah (Strongest in the Universe)
6. Gas (Strongest in the Universe)
7. Vegeta (UE)/Goku (MUI)
8. Moro (7-3, Power Absorption, and Magic)/Merus (Angel)
9. Gogeta (PSSB)
10. Broly (LSSJ), Jiren (SFP)
11. Belmod, Champa, Geene, Liquiir, Arak, Iwne, Heles, Sidra
12. Grand Supreme Kai (Full Godly Power)
13. Saganbo (Empowered)
14. Fat Buu (Grand Supreme Kai)
15. Hit (Time Lag)
16. Toppo
17. Gohan/Kefla
18. Frieza (Golden Evolution)/Kale (LSSJ)
19. Agnalisa
20. Android 17
21. Seven-Three (Copying and Moro's Abilities)
22. Fused Zamasu (Infinite Zamasu)
23. Goku Black (Zenkai)
24. Future Trunks (SSJ2)
25. Dyspo
26. Zamasu (Immortal)
27. Frost
28. Piccolo
29. Magetta
30. Caulifla (SSJ)
31. Cabba (SSJ)
32. Android 18/Ribrianne
33. Bergamo
34. Lavender
35. Basil
36. Botamo
37. Kid Buu
38. Buuhan
39. Buutenks
40. Gotenks
41. Super Buu
42. Evil Buu
43. Cell (Super Mode)
44. Dabura
45. Kid Trunks/Goten
46. Master Roshi (Principles of UI)
47. Krillin
48. Tien
49. Eastern Supreme Kai
50. SSJ Future Gohan
51. Future 17/18
52. Android 20
53. Android 19
54. Cooler
55. King Cold
56. Captain Ginyu
57. Yamcha
58. Recoome
59. Burter
60. Jeice
61. Guldo
62. Shusami/Tagoma
63. Zarbon
64. Dodoria
65. Cui
66. King Vegeta
67. Bardock
68. Nappa
69. Raditz
70. Jaco
71. Cranberry
72. Rasberry
73. Sorbet
74. Yajirobe
75. King Piccolo
76. Monaka
77. Mr. Satan

 

[Pyro]

Jiren is factually not stronger than Moro, Broly, and Granolah. Broly was stated to be stronger than Jiren. Whis already stated post-Yardrat Vegeta was stronger than Broly. Granolah became stronger than post-Yardrat Vegeta and post-Merus Goku. Jiren is nowhere near the top, regardless if he's stronger than Belmod.

Why are Hit and Toppo above Freeza? They didn't do anything to put them there, especially post-ToP Freeza from the Broly movie.

17, 18, Gohan, and Piccolo are all way stronger than where you have them. They're stronger than Seven-Three who used Namek Moro's power which Vegeta stated required Super Saiyan Blue to beat.

Pure Boo above Gohan-Boo? What the hell? There is nothing to support that and everything to contradict it.

Future Gohan wasn't stronger than Future 17/18. He was only confident against "less than half power" 17. Don't use the anime/TV special for his power.

 

[MikaelHarding]

Jiren is factually not stronger than Moro, Broly, and Granolah. Broly was stated to be stronger than Jiren. Whis already stated post-Yardrat Vegeta was stronger than Broly. Granolah became stronger than post-Yardrat Vegeta and post-Merus Goku. Jiren is nowhere near the top, regardless if he's stronger than Belmod.

Why are Hit and Toppo above Freeza? They didn't do anything to put them there, especially post-ToP Freeza from the Broly movie.

17, 18, Gohan, and Piccolo are all way stronger than where you have them. They're stronger than Seven-Three who used Namek Moro's power which Vegeta stated required Super Saiyan Blue to beat.

Pure Boo above Gohan-Boo? What the hell? There is nothing to support that and everything to contradict it.

Future Gohan wasn't stronger than Future 17/18. He was only confident against "less than half power" 17. Don't use the anime/TV special for his power.

if jiren is above belmod a GoD which is a level that even goku and vegeta still aren't on then that speaks of jiren's power

hit used time tag against jiren and did better than frieza, toppo fought equally with vegeta who's stronger than frieza even his golden evolution

seven-three can use moro's abilities including his energy absorption and magic then he's stronger.

pure boo is the strongest majin

are you really gonna take the word of a sociopath like future 17 future gohan ssj is stronger than either androids separately its only because of their teamwork that they killed him plus they have unlimited stamina so both of them vs one adult ssj he'll tire out

 

[Pyro]

if jiren is above belmod a GoD which is a level that even goku and vegeta still aren't on then that speaks of jiren's power

hit used time tag against jiren and did better than frieza, toppo fought equally with vegeta who's stronger than frieza even his golden evolution

seven-three can use moro's abilities including his energy absorption and magic then he's stronger.

pure boo is the strongest majin

are you really gonna take the word of a sociopath like future 17 future gohan ssj is stronger than either androids separately its only because of their teamwork that they killed him plus they have unlimited stamina so both of them vs one adult ssj he'll tire out

The story says Goku and Vegeta would stomp Jiren, and Beerus would stomp them, so logically Beerus would stomp Jiren. Whis is not an idiot.

Time Lag is a special technique. That's like saying Goku is stronger than someone because he used the Kamehameha. Nothing about what Hit did in his physical altercation with Jiren was more impressive than Freeza, and the same goes for Vegeta.

Seven-Three used Moro's power and his abilities. We're told that required Blue to beat. 17 was easily trashing Seven-Three when the ki absorption didn't affect him, so that shows 17 is above post-Broly PSSB Goku/Vegeta, after the 2 months of training preparing for Moro's arrival. Gohan was stated to be even stronger than that 17, and Piccolo rivaled Gohan's power as shown against Seven-Three and Saganbo.

No, Pure Boo is not the strongest, not even close. Goku literally said him and Vegeta would be killed by regular Evil Boo, who got stomped by Gohan. Gotenks-Boo himself said he was the strongest Majin in history. Pure Boo was equal to SSJ3 Goku, who wasn't even as strong as pre-RoSaT SSJ Gotenks.

I don't care what kind of personality Future 17 has. You're making up your own narrative. I can tell you're not using the manga here because we never saw their fights in that, so you're clearly basing this off the TV special, which is irrelevant to the manga version. Not only that, but it's stated Future Trunks when he killed Freeza was a bit stronger than Future Gohan, and Trunks admitted he was no match for the androids.

Please use the manga if you're going to make a list for the manga. Movies and anime do not have any relevance to the manga.

 

[MikaelHarding]

The story says Goku and Vegeta would stomp Jiren, and Beerus would stomp them, so logically Beerus would stomp Jiren. Whis is not an idiot.

Time Lag is a special technique. That's like saying Goku is stronger than someone because he used the Kamehameha. Nothing about what Hit did in his physical altercation with Jiren was more impressive than Freeza, and the same goes for Vegeta.

Seven-Three used Moro's power and his abilities. We're told that required Blue to beat. 17 was easily trashing Seven-Three when the ki absorption didn't affect him, so that shows 17 is above post-Broly PSSB Goku/Vegeta, after the 2 months of training preparing for Moro's arrival. Gohan was stated to be even stronger than that 17, and Piccolo rivaled Gohan's power as shown against Seven-Three and Saganbo.

No, Pure Boo is not the strongest, not even close. Goku literally said him and Vegeta would be killed by regular Evil Boo, who got stomped by Gohan. Gotenks-Boo himself said he was the strongest Majin in history. Pure Boo was equal to SSJ3 Goku, who wasn't even as strong as pre-RoSaT SSJ Gotenks.

I don't care what kind of personality Future 17 has. You're making up your own narrative. I can tell you're not using the manga here because we never saw their fights in that, so you're clearly basing this off the TV special, which is irrelevant to the manga version. Not only that, but it's stated Future Trunks when he killed Freeza was a bit stronger than Future Gohan, and Trunks admitted he was no match for the androids.

Please use the manga if you're going to make a list for the manga. Movies and anime do not have any relevance to the manga.

then why did toppo say to goku at the end of their fight in the manga that jiren is above belmod in terms of battle power

Yeah but hit was able to outlast frieza against jiren thats the difference plus he physically trained himself to a level as strong as Perfect super saiyan blue and golden evolution during the tournament of power

17 is an android he doesn't have ki so the absorption doesn't work on him but that doesn't mean he's as strong as PSSB there's no indication that he trained after T.O.P. Well Gohan was already above 17 even during the tournament of power when he faced against kefla. Piccolo is at least SSJ2 Level or maybe even above that ultimately he was still no match for seven-three if the latter could use his abilities and others like moro's.

I'm not making up narratives future 17 was a monster who trolled gohan a lot but thats only when he and 18 had the upper hand. plus these future androids are confirmed to be weaker than their present counterparts

Pure boo had this:
Unknown, unfathomable power – Buu possess an odd ki signature that makes it hard to tell how strong Buu really is. Whether Buu's power level is incredible, or not that much is unknown even by Majin Buu. this was that raw god power Merus was talking about during the galactic patrol arc. Yes in terms of raw strength gohan or gotenks could have easily beaten him but this power is partially what made him the most dangerous of all the incarnations of buu plus his violent personality.

I'll keep that in mind

 

[Pyro]

then why did toppo say to goku at the end of their fight in the manga that jiren is above belmod in terms of battle power

Because Jiren is stronger than Belmod. That doesn't mean he's stronger than every single God of Destruction. Belmod is simply one of the weaker gods and Beerus is probably tied for strongest.

Yeah but hit was able to outlast frieza against jiren thats the difference plus he physically trained himself to a level as strong as Perfect super saiyan blue and golden evolution during the tournament of power

I'm not saying Hit isn't on par with Golden Freeza, but he's not stronger like you're saying. He didn't so much outlast Freeza as he wasn't a priority for Jiren.

17 is an android he doesn't have ki so the absorption doesn't work on him but that doesn't mean he's as strong as PSSB there's no indication that he trained after T.O.P. Well Gohan was already above 17 even during the tournament of power when he faced against kefla. Piccolo is at least SSJ2 Level or maybe even above that ultimately he was still no match for seven-three if the latter could use his abilities and others like moro's.

They literally all trained for 2 months knowing Moro was coming to Earth. Seven-Three's ability is stated to copy the user's power at that exact moment and he copied Namek Moro's power, so what you're saying is not what the story is saying. Seven-Three using Moro's power was post-Broly PSSB Goku/Vegeta level and 17 stomped that kind of power. 17 post-training is much stronger than he was during the tournament. Same for Gohan, Piccolo, and 18.

I'm not making up narratives future 17 was a monster who trolled gohan a lot but thats only when he and 18 had the upper hand. plus these future androids are confirmed to be weaker than their present counterparts

Yes, you are making things up. You're adding things to the story that aren't shown or stated. You have not proven 17 was wrong at all. Even the stuff you just said is not present in the manga since the future storyline is very brief there.

Pure boo had this:
Unknown, unfathomable power – Buu possess an odd ki signature that makes it hard to tell how strong Buu really is. Whether Buu's power level is incredible, or not that much is unknown even by Majin Buu. this was that raw god power Merus was talking about during the galactic patrol arc. Yes in terms of raw strength gohan or gotenks could have easily beaten him but this power is partially what made him the most dangerous of all the incarnations of buu plus his violent personality.

I'll keep that in mind

You just admitted Pure Boo was not stronger than Gotenks or Gohan. He can't use his god ki, so he's at the SSJ3 Goku Boo Saga level. He should be nowhere near Evil Boo's power.

 

[MikaelHarding]

Because Jiren is stronger than Belmod. That doesn't mean he's stronger than every single God of Destruction. Belmod is simply one of the weaker gods and Beerus is probably tied for strongest.

I'm not saying Hit isn't on par with Golden Freeza, but he's not stronger like you're saying. He didn't so much outlast Freeza as he wasn't a priority for Jiren.

They literally all trained for 2 months knowing Moro was coming to Earth. Seven-Three's ability is stated to copy the user's power at that exact moment and he copied Namek Moro's power, so what you're saying is not what the story is saying. Seven-Three using Moro's power was post-Broly PSSB Goku/Vegeta level and 17 stomped that kind of power. 17 post-training is much stronger than he was during the tournament. Same for Gohan, Piccolo, and 18.

Yes, you are making things up. You're adding things to the story that aren't shown or stated. You have not proven 17 was wrong at all. Even the stuff you just said is not present in the manga since the future storyline is very brief there.

You just admitted Pure Boo was not stronger than Gotenks or Gohan. He can't use his god ki, so he's at the SSJ3 Goku Boo Saga level. He should be nowhere near Evil Boo's power.

but GoD level is not easy to reach even the weakest GoDs are stronger than Goku with his PSSB and goku himself remarked during their exhibition that he couldn't follow their movements even the weaker ones. Yes Beerus is tied for strongest with Quitela.

Hit full power during the champa arc was comparable to super saiyan god and thats when he couldn't control his power then now at T.O>P he's rectified that problem and can fight as good as goku PSSB. Hit still managed to land a few hits on jiren that frieza barely did himself even in his golden form.

Hmmmm you may have a point I'll change seven -three rank then.

Well I'm kinda going back and forth with the story using both the manga and anime look:

Manga:
Before his death, Future Gohan is arguably the most powerful warrior to have lived on Earth, but is weaker compared to his present timeline counterpart when he fought the immensely powerful Android, Cell. In the manga, when Future Trunks attained his Super Saiyan form, he struggled against Future Gohan's base form. Future Gohan states that he wished he was as strong as his father, but it was not an easy task, and also that Future Trunks would surpass him in a few months. Future Android 17 claims to Future Gohan that when he had previously defeated him he had not even used half of his power.

Anime:
In The History of Trunks, Gohan seemed to have gotten stronger via Saiyan Power as he was able to hold his own against both Androids for some time despite having one arm, unlike their last encounter in which he could not hold his own at all with both his arms, even though Android 17 was suppressed, but once the Androids team up and use their Accel Dance, he was soundly overwhelmed and murdered. Before Future Trunks departs to the past, Future Bulma tells him that he is only about as strong as Future Gohan was at the time of his death.

Then how do you explain this then:
Unknown, unfathomable power – Buu possess an odd ki signature that makes it hard to tell how strong Buu really is. Whether Buu's power level is incredible, or not that much is unknown even by Majin Buu. this was that raw god power Merus was talking about during the galactic patrol arc. Yes in terms of raw strength gohan or gotenks could have easily beaten him but this power is partially what made him the most dangerous of all the incarnations of buu plus his violent personality.

 

[Fantastische Hure]

Broly is at Goku Cell-Games level.

 

[GreatSaiyaman123]

Gohan has trained since the ToP and Goku said he's much stronger than before. I think he's stronger than Dai Kaioshin Boo now, but at the very least he's above Kefla.

 

[MikaelHarding]

Broly is at Goku Cell-Games level.

Broly is Non-Canon

 

[MikaelHarding]

Gohan has trained since the ToP and Goku said he's much stronger than before. I think he's stronger than Dai Kaioshin Boo now, but at the very least he's above Kefla.

given that gohan struggled against moro but Dai-Kaioshin didn't at first I wouldn't be so sure

 

[Pyro]

but GoD level is not easy to reach even the weakest GoDs are stronger than Goku with his PSSB and goku himself remarked during their exhibition that he couldn't follow their movements even the weaker ones. Yes Beerus is tied for strongest with Quitela.

ToP PSSB Goku is nowhere near God of Destruction level. That was obvious when he couldn't even budge a casual Jiren. I don't see what this has to do with Jiren. It took a lot of training after the ToP for Goku and Vegeta to pass God of Destruction level, and they're still trash to Beerus.

Hit full power during the champa arc was comparable to super saiyan god and thats when he couldn't control his power then now at T.O>P he's rectified that problem and can fight as good as goku PSSB. Hit still managed to land a few hits on jiren that frieza barely did himself even in his golden form.

Hit landed one kick by surprise when Jiren was focused on eliminating Goku at the edge of the arena. PSSB Goku and Hit combined weren't able to do jackshit to Jiren. Hit on his own landed no blows, so I'm not sure what you're talking about. The one punch Hit landed to Jiren's gut was because of the Time Lag, not his own base power.

Well I'm kinda going back and forth with the story using both the manga and anime look:

Manga:
Before his death, Future Gohan is arguably the most powerful warrior to have lived on Earth, but is weaker compared to his present timeline counterpart when he fought the immensely powerful Android, Cell. In the manga, when Future Trunks attained his Super Saiyan form, he struggled against Future Gohan's base form. Future Gohan states that he wished he was as strong as his father, but it was not an easy task, and also that Future Trunks would surpass him in a few months. Future Android 17 claims to Future Gohan that when he had previously defeated him he had not even used half of his power.

Anime:
In The History of Trunks, Gohan seemed to have gotten stronger via Saiyan Power as he was able to hold his own against both Androids for some time despite having one arm, unlike their last encounter in which he could not hold his own at all with both his arms, even though Android 17 was suppressed, but once the Androids team up and use their Accel Dance, he was soundly overwhelmed and murdered. Before Future Trunks departs to the past, Future Bulma tells him that he is only about as strong as Future Gohan was at the time of his death.

Like I said, the anime version has no bearing on the manga. You're making this list from the manga, so use the manga's events. We didn't see any of their fights in the manga so we only have statements.

Then how do you explain this then:
Unknown, unfathomable power – Buu possess an odd ki signature that makes it hard to tell how strong Buu really is. Whether Buu's power level is incredible, or not that much is unknown even by Majin Buu. this was that raw god power Merus was talking about during the galactic patrol arc. Yes in terms of raw strength gohan or gotenks could have easily beaten him but this power is partially what made him the most dangerous of all the incarnations of buu plus his violent personality.

Explain what? Pure Boo had god ki hidden inside of him but he didn't have access to it. That's it. There's no need to overcomplicate it. A much smarter Oob had to have Dai Kaioshin coach him in order to use that god ki to help against Moro. As it stands in the manga, Pure Boo was equal to SSJ3 Goku, nowhere near the level of Gotenks and Gohan. I just don't understand what you're trying to say here. We know how strong Boo was. We saw it.

 

[Fantastische Hure]

Jiren’s comment after eliminating Hit (I think it was after eliminating Hit) points toward Goku/Hit > Freeza, even-though then that’d include Vegeta too so who knows.

 

[Pyro]

Jiren’s comment after eliminating Hit (I think it was after eliminating Hit) points toward Goku/Hit > Freeza, even-though then that’d include Vegeta too so who knows.

What was it? "u trash"?

 

[Fantastische Hure]

I can’t exactly remember. Not even whether it was anime or manga (even-though come to think of it, it must be anime), but I remember Jiren eliminating Hit and then going back to meditating and being like you guys don’t need me anymore, everyone who was a threat has been eliminated or something.

 

[MikaelHarding]

ToP PSSB Goku is nowhere near God of Destruction level. That was obvious when he couldn't even budge a casual Jiren. I don't see what this has to do with Jiren. It took a lot of training after the ToP for Goku and Vegeta to pass God of Destruction level, and they're still trash to Beerus.

Hit landed one kick by surprise when Jiren was focused on eliminating Goku at the edge of the arena. PSSB Goku and Hit combined weren't able to do jackshit to Jiren. Hit on his own landed no blows, so I'm not sure what you're talking about. The one punch Hit landed to Jiren's gut was because of the Time Lag, not his own base power.

Like I said, the anime version has no bearing on the manga. You're making this list from the manga, so use the manga's events. We didn't see any of their fights in the manga so we only have statements.

Explain what? Pure Boo had god ki hidden inside of him but he didn't have access to it. That's it. There's no need to overcomplicate it. A much smarter Oob had to have Dai Kaioshin coach him in order to use that god ki to help against Moro. As it stands in the manga, Pure Boo was equal to SSJ3 Goku, nowhere near the level of Gotenks and Gohan. I just don't understand what you're trying to say here. We know how strong Boo was. We saw it.

beerus has hundreds of millions of years of fighting experience on his side even with saiyan power that wouldn't be enough to beat someone that old. I can only speculate that jiren is at least 100 years old and he's already reached Hakaishin level.

Hit did more than that one kick to his face when hit saved goku from elimination then he was fighting as good as PSSB goku and with his time lag he landed like 4 or 5 more blows.

Alright yeah the manga I'll be sure to do that.

I'm not over-complicating it I mean how do you explain kid boo persistence when fighting goku I think kid boo destructiveness trumps buuhan

 

[Pyro]

beerus has hundreds of millions of years of fighting experience on his side even with saiyan power that wouldn't be enough to beat someone that old. I can only speculate that jiren is at least 100 years old and he's already reached Hakaishin level.

I'm still not understanding what this has to do with Jiren being on the same level as Beerus. Even Toyotaro said Beerus is still stronger than Goku while Goku is one of the top 3 strongest mortals in universe 7 (with Granolah and Vegeta).

Hit did more than that one kick to his face when hit saved goku from elimination then he was fighting as good as PSSB goku and with his time lag he landed like 4 or 5 more blows.

I never said Hit wasn't on the same level as Goku. But Freeza is also on that level. Using the Time Lag attacks is an unfair advantage to Hit and doesn't reflect his base power.

I'm not over-complicating it I mean how do you explain kid boo persistence when fighting goku I think kid boo destructiveness trumps buuhan

That's not supported by the story. Everything about Evil Boo is greater than Pure Boo except his unpredictability. Destructive power is directly linked to power level, and Evil Boo is far stronger than Pure Boo, thus Pure Boo doesn't have as much destructive power. Boo's persistence is explained in the story itself with Goku underestimating the downfall of Super Saiyan 3. Pure Boo isn't unique with his persistence.

 

[GreatSaiyaman123]

What was it? "u trash"?

I had to read this twice because I thought you were calling him trash at first

 

[Animelover5487]

I think Kuririn should beat Roshi even with his Psuedo-Ultra Instinct. Kahseral said Roshi's power level was low as dirt, and Yamcha said he was the third strongest Earthling when we know for a fact at least Kuririn and Ten are stronger.

 

[MikaelHarding]

I'm still not understanding what this has to do with Jiren being on the same level as Beerus. Even Toyotaro said Beerus is still stronger than Goku while Goku is one of the top 3 strongest mortals in universe 7 (with Granolah and Vegeta).

I never said Hit wasn't on the same level as Goku. But Freeza is also on that level. Using the Time Lag attacks is an unfair advantage to Hit and doesn't reflect his base power.

That's not supported by the story. Everything about Evil Boo is greater than Pure Boo except his unpredictability. Destructive power is directly linked to power level, and Evil Boo is far stronger than Pure Boo, thus Pure Boo doesn't have as much destructive power. Boo's persistence is explained in the story itself with Goku underestimating the downfall of Super Saiyan 3. Pure Boo isn't unique with his persistence.

Ah, but still does the wish (statement) even apply to the other universes?







During the Granolah the Survivor Saga, Toyotarou refers to Granolah, Vegeta and Goku as the 1st, 2nd and
3rd strongest in the universe, though does not elaborate on the order aside from Granolah being 1st. With Granolah wishing to Toronbo to become a warrior with power surpassing all other mortal life-forms in the universe

Beerus/Quitela = Jiren (Current) > Granolah > Belmod > Lower GoDs > Vegeta/Goku

what I'm trying to say is Jiren is as strong as a top tier GoD despite being a mortal and his potential is immeasurable and if he's been training since T.O.P then it stands to reason he's much stronger possibly even more than beerus himself.

I mean its part of hit's style of fighting its not unfair to use your expert skills in battle and he already on par with SSG level to begin with just his full base power so with extensive training which he did he'd be as strong as PSSB combined with his new godlike time ability gives him a better chance to stand up to jiren.

um actually pure boo > evil boo because of his unpredictability and more destructive power evil didn't blow up multiple planets or pressure SSJ goku who's stronger than Fat boo.