Dragon Ball Discussion

[ahill1]

Also ahill, you are a fool. Base Saiyans are nowhere near Cell Junior pffftttt what! That's old, old logic, You are much better than this. Base Saiyans are very powerful, but still are complete fodder to Piccolo. Piccolo would stomp all of them easily with one hand behind his back.
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Well, I wanted to reconcile the base vs Piccolo implications. Generally who have base around or above Piccolo has to nerf the hell out of him. But what if we keep Piccolo where he should be and raise the base Saiyans to that level?

 

[p123]

I don't know who anyone is. You cowards should identify yourselves.

 

[p123]

I don't know if I believe you, prove yourself jackjack.

 

[ahill1]

Saiyan Paladin is jackjack. He showed himself a while ago and SuperSaiyan2 quickly made him a moderator, even though he doesn't care for these type of things.

 

[p123]

Interesting, I still want proof though.

 

[Void]

Do you want dick pics or something?

Also putting the base Saiyans at Cell Jr. level is YUGE overkill.

 

[ahill1]

What do you think of base Saiyans power levels, Jack? You don't have them surpassing #16, right?

 

[p123]

Sent you a PM on Neo. If you are truly jackjack, you will respond.

Base Saiyans > Cell Jr is insane, but it is a thought we held for a period of time right? Maybe not you, but those statements can be taken that way. It's madness though.

 

[Void]

Boo arc Base Vegeta only needs to be strong enough to beat No. 18 really. The Boo arc is full of inconsistencies though, and it's pretty trash for power scaling all around.

 

[ahill1]

Well, better than nerfing Piccolo to astounding levels. The implications are still there, so I don't like to throw them out, even though base ~ junior might be a pain numerically.

 

[p123]

It's more than just a pain. It just won't work. Sometimes some of AT's asinine suggestions need to be thrown out. It works like this, simple math really...

Vegeta said he could beat everyone in Base while on the plane.

Who was on the plane? Android 18.

Is it true, possible or false?

Well we see his weaker, but respectable son put up a decent fight in horrible fighting conditions. Seems about right.

Piccolo was not on the plane, yet no mention of oh shit Piccolo is here we need Super Saiyan.

Then we do a little backtracking. Piccolo did decently against a Cell Jr, he's fucking strong.

Base Trunks although very powerful, is clearly not 10x stronger than 18, whereas we know Piccolo is.

Base Vegeta is not 10x stronger than Base Trunks, so he has no chance against Piccolo. It doesn't even seem likely that Vegeta is 2x stronger than Trunks at this stage.


So through the process of elimination we can safely determine that the statement is hogwash in regards to Piccolo...


Cell Jr > Piccolo >>>> Base Saiyan Adult > Base Saiyan Kids ~ 18

 

[Void]

I agree with most of that.

Piccolo being rougly half of CG SS Goku is what I've been rolling with for a while, and I think its a fair position. I don't think Vegeta or Goku even got 2x stronger during the 7 year gap, so I don't see how they could come close to Piccoro.

I know Goku tells him that he is trash, and even asks if Big Green could split himself again, but even if Piccolo is 50% of CG SS Goku, he is still trash compared to Cell.

I personally think Goten and Trunks fit in quite nicely between CG SS Goku and CG SS Vegeta, which would keep them above Piccolo but still a bit behind Boo arc Gohan, whom I have just a bit stronger than his father at the CG.

Kaioshin is just as bad as Piccolo in terms of power placement in the Boo arc, in my opinion.

 

[p123]

You can't be Jack. He never talks for more than one sentence. Your thoughts are much too fleshed out.

If Gohan had a rage boost, then your logic is off regarding Goku and Vegeta's improvements, everything else sounds good.

 

[Void]

nigga what are you tryin to say

 

[p123]

That you ain't Jack. Do you think Gohan was a Super Saiyan or Super Saiyan 2? This answer determines your fate.

 

[Void]

the only way gohan being a mere ssj works is with dabura holding back. you are pretty much forced to think this way if you just can't give up the art.

 

[p123]

Wrong. Jack has always been on the fence on that issue. And "you" never responded to my PM on Neo. So you being Jack has been debunked. Sorry bud.

 

[Void]

http://www.neoseeker.com/forums/88/t1497570-dabura-how-strong/5.htm

 

[Kyo]

Hahaha p deadass had to test that shit out, love it

(He really is jack tho)

Base gohan > kaioshin > freeza, gg ez

 

[withheldforprivacy]

That you ain't Jack. Do you think Gohan was a Super Saiyan or Super Saiyan 2? This answer determines your fate.

The new material seems to confirm SSJ1. Gohan said, at FNF saga, he can only become SSJ1 for a while.
That was probably the case at Buu Saga for SSJ2 as well; Gohan went SSJ2 for a while against Kibito,
but couldn't repeat it against Dabura. Alternate Trunkses fight with Dabura further supports this.