Dragon Ball Super Strongest Characters

[MikaelHarding]

Belmod's attack managed absolutely nothing against the other gods even though they were paralyzed. He's weak trash.

Their GoDs their on the same level only one is stronger than the other

 

[MikaelHarding]

I accept your concession

The point it proves is Moro is relying on his magic powers that grants him power above the z-fighters like for example when he was secretly absorbing vegeta and goku energy on namek to gain an advantage without those magic powers of his goku and vegeta at SSB is beyond him. Belijita??????????? you mean Beerus
yeah he is the toughest because he uses his magic, absorption, and cunning to win a fight instead of raw power.

Moro (Old/Telekinesis) vs Super Saiyan Vegeta: I'll admit The Old Goat is pretty Agile but he was on the defensive against a super saiyan which means he was not a match physically he had to rely on his powers

Moro (Old/Fire and Flames) vs Super Saiyan God Vegeta: Thanks to his magic, Moro is able to manipulate the life energy of the planet he is on for offensive and defense usage, such usage appears as a flaming pillar. He is capable of doing this until the planet he is utilizing runs out of energy see without this trick he could have been defeated

Belmod was pretending to be passed out in the manga you saw him grin when he pretended to lose plus he barely had a scratch on him Belmod is a 11 Beerus is a 10 and Quitela is a 10 if beerus used his unmastered ui form then maybe he could be above Belmod sadly he didn't use it

It's not so much as he didn't bother ui sign's power he probably couldn't if he did then goku wouldn't have won as he did

Now hold on we don't know the full extent of granolah power and I'll eager to see vegeta's new destroyer form because if he beats him with it technically Jiren outlasted Mui goku on account that he could not hold out so long also jiren was steadily keeping up with the form until it ran out. Even still I'm sure Jiren is much stronger now then he was in the tournament

 

[Pocket-Gog~]

The point it proves is Moro is relying on his magic powers that grants him power above the z-fighters like for example when he was secretly absorbing vegeta and goku energy on namek to gain an advantage without those magic powers of his goku and vegeta at SSB is beyond him. Belijita??????????? you mean Beerus
yeah he is the toughest because he uses his magic, absorption, and cunning to win a fight instead of raw power.

Moro's only use of magic is adsorption, when he's not using it, he's just your standard flying brick Dragon Ball esq character. The moment he lands on Earth, Moro doesn't even bother using his magic to gain an advantage over Goku and the rest, he literally doesn't need it. He uses cunning? Like the cunning required to spank Ultra Instinct Sign Goku? Or the cunning that comes from adsorbing 73 and... just overpowering everyone around him? Moro surely used his magic, adsorption and cunning to punch a hole through Goku.

Moro (Old/Telekinesis) vs Super Saiyan Vegeta: I'll admit The Old Goat is pretty Agile but he was on the defensive against a super saiyan which means he was not a match physically he had to rely on his powers

If we're going to be arguing that, then Jiren is SSJ tier, as regular ass base Goku and Vegeta were capable of pressuring him in the ToP manga.

Moro (Old/Fire and Flames) vs Super Saiyan God Vegeta: Thanks to his magic, Moro is able to manipulate the life energy of the planet he is on for offensive and defense usage, such usage appears as a flaming pillar. He is capable of doing this until the planet he is utilizing runs out of energy see without this trick he could have been defeated

This is an interesting example you've given and truthfully you're right, Moro was using a wide variety of abilities at the start of the arc to gain an advantage. But as the story progressed he dropped all of these gimmicks and became indistinguishable from all other villains. By the time he rocks up to Earth, Moro's shed all of these abilities and doesn't even bother with his most basic one, adsorption.

Belmod was pretending to be passed out in the manga you saw him grin when he pretended to lose plus he barely had a scratch on him Belmod is a 11 Beerus is a 10 and Quitela is a 10 if beerus used his unmastered ui form then maybe he could be above Belmod sadly he didn't use it

>Belmod used an ability that didn't harm anyone
>Belmod pretended to be passed out and grinned
>This clearly shows that he's stronger than Beerus
>Not that he in reality, was going to rely on a cheap shot on Beerus or the rat. Whoever won really.

Now hold on we don't know the full extent of granolah power and I'll eager to see vegeta's new destroyer form because if he beats him with it technically Jiren outlasted Mui goku on account that he could not hold out so long also jiren was steadily keeping up with the form until it ran out. Even still I'm sure Jiren is much stronger now then he was in the tournament

We do know the full extent of Granolath's powers, its greater than MUI Goku and weaker than Destroyer Vegeta. We're also not talking about a hypothetical post ToP Jiren, but ToP Jiren. Even bringing up ToP MUI is a logical fallacy, because MUI has grown so much stronger since then.

 

[MikaelHarding]

Moro's only use of magic is adsorption, when he's not using it, he's just your standard flying brick Dragon Ball esq character. The moment he lands on Earth, Moro doesn't even bother using his magic to gain an advantage over Goku and the rest, he literally doesn't need it. He uses cunning? Like the cunning required to spank Ultra Instinct Sign Goku? Or the cunning that comes from adsorbing 73 and... just overpowering everyone around him? Moro surely used his magic, adsorption and cunning to punch a hole through Goku.

If we're going to be arguing that, then Jiren is SSJ tier, as regular ass base Goku and Vegeta were capable of pressuring him in the ToP manga.

This is an interesting example you've given and truthfully you're right, Moro was using a wide variety of abilities at the start of the arc to gain an advantage. But as the story progressed he dropped all of these gimmicks and became indistinguishable from all other villains. By the time he rocks up to Earth, Moro's shed all of these abilities and doesn't even bother with his most basic one, adsorption.

>Belmod used an ability that didn't harm anyone
>Belmod pretended to be passed out and grinned
>This clearly shows that he's stronger than Beerus
>Not that he in reality, was going to rely on a cheap shot on Beerus or the rat. Whoever won really.

We do know the full extent of Granolath's powers, its greater than MUI Goku and weaker than Destroyer Vegeta. We're also not talking about a hypothetical post ToP Jiren, but ToP Jiren. Even bringing up ToP MUI is a logical fallacy, because MUI has grown so much stronger since then.

Moro (Old/Base): Ki Sense Awareness, Telekinesis, Psychic Rock throw, and Psycho Javelin

Moro (Magic): Life Energy absorption, Fire and Flames, Ray Blast (Which are Common), Scanning, Dragon Ball sensing, Afterimage Sorcery, Wizard barrier (Which is Common), Mind Reading, Imprisonment Ball, and Energy Shield

Moro (Copy Ability): Telepathy, Piccolo Powers, Gohan Powers, Vegeta Powers, and Merus Powers albeit he struggled to control them.

Moro just now realized he had a backup copy of his power inside 73 when he thought he was losing to Vegeta who had him on the ropes of forced spirit fission. He did use his cunning mind to use his magic and defeated Goku and Vegeta at the same time on Namek to their base forms. Again when he used his psychic powers on UI sign Goku to restrain him because he was getting nowhere with Goku dodging his attacks even at the height of his prime and although he did win that fight against UI sign Goku he was utterly helpless against perfected UI Goku. Downplayed I'll admit Moro isn't weak per se, but unlike the majority of Dragon Ball's villains who rely on raw strength to overpower their opponents, Moro relies on his strange magical abilities and his deceptive cunning to win. Many of his victories throughout the saga are due to him constantly outwitting his opponents with clever underhanded strategies. Moro impaled Goku so what the latter has suffered a lot worse than that over the years even after that he was impaled Goku instantly recovered from Dende's healing even though the latter said his Chi/Ki had reached god level and would take time to heal Goku proved him wrong.

Jiren was Extremely worn out from fighting Mui Goku and outlasted him when the latter lost that form though Goku and Vegeta actually make a pretty good team even Whis commented they could have beaten golden frieza if they worked together plus Moro (Old/Base): was not tired from fighting SSJ Vegeta neither was the saiyan prince he only gained the upper hand by using his basic telekinesis

When you say rocks up to earth do you mean when he absorbed it and became an unpredictable monster or when he arrived because if your talking about when he arrived he must have hit a limit when he was consuming planets and Goku and Vegeta were training before he came to earth either that or he chose not too because he was confident in his magic powers

Belmod used his paying cards attack to fight everyone even if it was not effective he still could have used some else more serious to do damage. Belmod was pretending to be passed out you've seen the manga right if you have you'll see that the grand priest stopped Beerus and Quitela from fighting and Belmod was smirking while on the ground with almost barely any damage on his body. Of course old clown face is Stronger than Beerus he's an 11 Beerus is a 10 probably higher if he used his Unmastered UI and Quitela is a 10 as well if he and Beerus have roughly the same amount of injuries on their bodies. Well technically no one won all the GoDs were excluded from the tournament for being to fast and too strong

Granolah may very well be above MUI Goku yes but remember Beerus did say Ultra Instinct is not the only techniques of the Gods probably aside from the Hakai or Destroyer forms entertain the possibility of more god techniques/transformations also we don't know how strong Destroyer form Vegeta is or if he too has mastered it we just have to see him fight on the 20th of August Chapter 75. It's unknown how many chapters of Dragon Ball Chou there is left or if Jiren will make an appearance in future chapters all there is for certain is whether or not hypothetical Jiren should be much stronger since T.O.P since he did lose he's most likely strived to grow stronger, train, and encounter Goku again

 

[Pyro]

Toyotaro stated Beerus was above Goku still. Doesn't matter what kind of mental gymnastics are performed to wank Belmod/Jiren or how much evidence in the Moro arc would have to be ignored, the author himself said Beerus is still up there for Goku to improve toward, automatically putting Jiren and Belmod many pegs down the stack.

Oh, but Toyotaro meant Beerus's incomplete Ultra Instinct state, even though that's been forgotten about and shrugged off in-universe as not something Beerus gives a damn about.

 

[Pocket-Gog~]

Moro (Old/Base): Ki Sense Awareness, Telekinesis, Psychic Rock throw, and Psycho Javelin

Moro (Magic): Life Energy absorption, Fire and Flames, Ray Blast (Which are Common), Scanning, Dragon Ball sensing, Afterimage Sorcery, Wizard barrier (Which is Common), Mind Reading, Imprisonment Ball, and Energy Shield

Most of what you listed off are bog standard abilities most dragon ball villains had in the past. Hell most of them even were used by the heroes in some form, with the exception of the using planets molten magma to attack. But never would they be considered to be seperate from raw power.

Moro (Copy Ability): Telepathy, Piccolo Powers, Gohan Powers, Vegeta Powers, and Merus Powers albeit he struggled to control them.

Piccolo pow es, Gohan powers, Vegeta powers, Merus powers. You're leaving out a crucial difference though and that's the gargantuan increase in power that Moro received upon adsorbing 73, like Cell and Buu did upon adsorbing their respective warriors.

He did use his cunning mind to use his magic and defeated Goku and Vegeta at the same time on Namek to their base forms.

Once again, this is Moro at the start of the arc. End of arc Moro uses all of his magical abilities less.

Again when he used his psychic powers on UI sign Goku to restrain him because he was getting nowhere with Goku dodging his attacks even at the height of his prime and although he did win that fight against UI sign Goku he was utterly helpless against perfected UI Goku.

He won against UI Goku twice and the perfected UI Goku he fought was far superior to the one that appeared in the ToP.

Downplayed I'll admit Moro isn't weak per se, but unlike the majority of Dragon Ball's villains who rely on raw strength to overpower their opponents, Moro relies on his strange magical abilities and his deceptive cunning to win. Many of his victories throughout the saga are due to him constantly outwitting his opponents with clever underhanded strategies.

His clever underhanded strategies like... Adsorbing their energy at the start of the arc, getting a variety of power ups and increasing in strength? Like Cell and Buu, who both achieved their goals through similar ways? Moro is absolutely not unique in the grand scheme of DB villains, but by this logic Cell and Buu are also not "strong" villains.

Moro impaled Goku so what the latter has suffered a lot worse than that over the years even after that he was impaled Goku instantly recovered from Dende's healing even though the latter said his Chi/Ki had reached god level and would take time to heal Goku proved him wrong.

>73-Moro one shot Goku in an instant.
>73-Moro one shot Vegeta in an instant.
These are indisputably signs of a massive power gap between opponents, this isn't cunning, magic, or skill. Moro punched hard.

Jiren was Extremely worn out from fighting Mui Goku and outlasted him when the latter lost that form though Goku and Vegeta actually make a pretty good team even Whis commented they could have beaten golden frieza if they worked together

In base form? Does this make Moro automatically stronger than Jiren because he utterly stomped both Goku and Vegeta together even when they were in their ssjb states?

When you say rocks up to earth do you mean when he absorbed it and became an unpredictable monster or when he arrived because if your talking about when he arrived he must have hit a limit when he was consuming planets and Goku and Vegeta were training before he came to earth either that or he chose not too because he was confident in his magic powers

I was referring to when he arrived to Earth, he may have a hit a limit but it didn't matter because he was stronger than both Goku and Vegeta.

Belmod used his paying cards attack to fight everyone even if it was not effective he still could have used some else more serious to do damage. Belmod was pretending to be passed out you've seen the manga right if you have you'll see that the grand priest stopped Beerus and Quitela from fighting and Belmod was smirking while on the ground with almost barely any damage on his body.

>His attacks didn't do any damage to everyone
>Belmod was pretending to be knocked out
This isn't the sign of a strong fighter but a cunning weakling. What are you talking about.

Granolah may very well be above MUI Goku yes but remember Beerus did say Ultra Instinct is not the only techniques of the Gods probably aside from the Hakai or Destroyer forms entertain the possibility of more god techniques/transformations

Your poinr?

also we don't know how strong Destroyer form Vegeta is or if he too has mastered it we just have to see him fight on the 20th of August Chapter 75.

We have leaks. Destroyer Vegeta is raping Granolah.

It's unknown how many chapters of Dragon Ball Chou there is left or if Jiren will make an appearance in future chapters all there is for certain is whether or not hypothetical Jiren should be much stronger since T.O.P since he did lose he's most likely strived to grow stronger, train, and encounter Goku again

Doesn't matter to the point. Moro, Granolah and Vegeta are all stronger than ToP Jiren.

 

[MikaelHarding]

Toyotaro stated Beerus was above Goku still. Doesn't matter what kind of mental gymnastics are performed to wank Belmod/Jiren or how much evidence in the Moro arc would have to be ignored, the author himself said Beerus is still up there for Goku to improve toward, automatically putting Jiren and Belmod many pegs down the stack.

Oh, but Toyotaro meant Beerus's incomplete Ultra Instinct state, even though that's been forgotten about and shrugged off in-universe as not something Beerus gives a damn about.

if Whis claimed Jiren is above Belmod/beerus and Goku can use MUI and dominated him then Beerus is in trouble even though he has an unmastered version of UI

MUi Goku: 12.5, Super Full Power Jiren: 12.1, 100% Belmod: 11 100% Beerus: 10 if Beerus can use his version of ui and finish mastering it then I'll admit he's above even though its been shrugged off-in universe and forgotten I'm sure Beerus is going to give a damn if he finds people stronger than him

 

[MikaelHarding]

Most of what you listed off are bog standard abilities most dragon ball villains had in the past. Hell most of them even were used by the heroes in some form, with the exception of the using planets molten magma to attack. But never would they be considered to be seperate from raw power.

Piccolo pow es, Gohan powers, Vegeta powers, Merus powers. You're leaving out a crucial difference though and that's the gargantuan increase in power that Moro received upon adsorbing 73, like Cell and Buu did upon adsorbing their respective warriors.

Once again, this is Moro at the start of the arc. End of arc Moro uses all of his magical abilities less.

He won against UI Goku twice and the perfected UI Goku he fought was far superior to the one that appeared in the ToP.

His clever underhanded strategies like... Adsorbing their energy at the start of the arc, getting a variety of power ups and increasing in strength? Like Cell and Buu, who both achieved their goals through similar ways? Moro is absolutely not unique in the grand scheme of DB villains, but by this logic Cell and Buu are also not "strong" villains.

>73-Moro one shot Goku in an instant.
>73-Moro one shot Vegeta in an instant.
These are indisputably signs of a massive power gap between opponents, this isn't cunning, magic, or skill. Moro punched hard.

In base form? Does this make Moro automatically stronger than Jiren because he utterly stomped both Goku and Vegeta together even when they were in their ssjb states?

I was referring to when he arrived to Earth, he may have a hit a limit but it didn't matter because he was stronger than both Goku and Vegeta.

>His attacks didn't do any damage to everyone
>Belmod was pretending to be knocked out
This isn't the sign of a strong fighter but a cunning weakling. What are you talking about.


Your poinr?


We have leaks. Destroyer Vegeta is raping Granolah.

Doesn't matter to the point. Moro, Granolah and Vegeta are all stronger than ToP Jiren.

Name the people who can use those abilities including the dragon ball sensing because I don't believe any villian can do that not frieza, not cell, or Buu and even if they change their forms they haven't shown to do it yet

Near the end of Moro Arc moro used mind reading/Telepathy, afterimage sorcery after absorbing Merus, Imprisonment ball, and Life energy absorption the entire planet.

He could control the z-fighters powers and use their abilities plus merus angel power but that's was only temporary if he hadn't use his magic to merge with the earth he would have been done.

he struggled with ui goku because it was not a mortal technique albeit I'll admit he did win but was still no match for the perfected MUI even if he won against the sign ui he ultimately lost.

in their own saga's they were had they lived through them and trained or absorbed people or use their powers to give them an advantage they would have destroyed the earth long ago take frieza for example he went from 120,000,000 million power level to god level in 4 months and he would have won had he controlled his stamina/power

Moro used his physical strength yes but ultimately it did him no good when he was beginning to lose

Jiren easily beat Perfected super saiyan blue goku and evolved super saiyan blue vegeta so nah again he only won because if his magic and he was secretly draining them of their power plus using his other abitiles like the fire and flames and telekinesis.

To be honest I think he wanted to lose instead of win because he has jiren to win the tournament of power so even if he actually loses there he still wins thats what he probably thought.

My point is there are more transformations than MUI or GoDs mode that the saiyans have yet to unlock there's always going to be more it's going to go on and on and on from SSJ1 Like SSJ2 or SSJ3 or SSJ4 or SSG or SSB or SSBKK or ESSB or GoDs or or UI or MUI or ? or ? theire's always going to be more forms

Don;t remind me he's dominating Granolah but we;re going to have to wait for the full chapter to see the full fight

Yes My point Moro, Granolah, and Vegeta are stronger than T.O.P Jiren it's unknown about post T.O.P Jiren we don't know strong he is like We don't know how if vegeta fully won against granolah in his destroyer form or how strong he really is despite the raw pages of the manga

 

[Pocket-Gog~]

Name the people who can use those abilities including the dragon ball sensing because I don't believe any villian can do that not frieza, not cell, or Buu and even if they change their forms they haven't shown to do it yet

Telepathy: Freeza and Cell.
Adsorption: Cell and Buu
Stealing energy: 19 and 20
Afterimage: Gotenks and Kid Goku
Mind reading: Goku, Master Roshi
This is also not changing the fact that Moro stops using these abilities and just cribs 73's for a good portion of the story when they land on Earth

He could control the z-fighters powers and use their abilities plus merus angel power but that's was only temporary

How is this any different from what Cell and Buu did?

if he hadn't use his magic to merge with the earth he would have been done.

A good example of Moro the planet. But this still comes after a massive power boost even he couldn't control.

he struggled with ui goku because it was not a mortal technique albeit I'll admit he did win but was still no match for the perfected MUI even if he won against the sign ui he ultimately lost.

He molested a stronger UI sign even in his goat form, one punched it in his cell form. Then he got defeated by an empowered perfected UI.

in their own saga's they were had they lived through them and trained or absorbed people or use their powers to give them an advantage they would have destroyed the earth long ago take frieza for example he went from 120,000,000 million power level to god level in 4 months and he would have won had he controlled his stamina/power

There's no difference between Moro, Cell and Buu. He's a villain in the same vein, if his raw power is being ignored then so should theirs.

Moro used his physical strength yes but ultimately it did him no good when he was beginning to lose

It did Freeza, Cell and Buu no good too when they were losing.

Jiren easily beat Perfected super saiyan blue goku and evolved super saiyan blue vegeta so nah again he only won because if his magic and he was secretly draining them of their power plus using his other abitiles like the fire and flames and telekinesis.

Stop bringing up Old Moro from Namek, he's an utter shadow in terms of power compared to the later Moro's who I'm referring too.

Yes My point Moro, Granolah, and Vegeta are stronger than T.O.P Jiren it's unknown about post T.O.P Jiren we don't know strong he is like We don't know how if vegeta fully won against granolah in his destroyer form or how strong he really is despite the raw pages of the manga

Alright then

 

[MikaelHarding]

Telepathy: Freeza and Cell.
Adsorption: Cell and Buu
Stealing energy: 19 and 20
Afterimage: Gotenks and Kid Goku
Mind reading: Goku, Master Roshi
This is also not changing the fact that Moro stops using these abilities and just cribs 73's for a good portion of the story when they land on Earth

How is this any different from what Cell and Buu did?

A good example of Moro the planet. But this still comes after a massive power boost even he couldn't control.

He molested a stronger UI sign even in his goat form, one punched it in his cell form. Then he got defeated by an empowered perfected UI.

There's no difference between Moro, Cell and Buu. He's a villain in the same vein, if his raw power is being ignored then so should theirs.

It did Freeza, Cell and Buu no good too when they were losing.

Stop bringing up Old Moro from Namek, he's an utter shadow in terms of power compared to the later Moro's who I'm referring too.


Alright then

you forgot dragon ball sensing which is essential if you don't have the dragon ball radar, telekinesis, imprisonment ball, and universe scanning. Moro used absorption to merge with the earth I'd say he used that one.

its only at a much different level than cell and buu cell perfect form is 900,000,000 majin buu/kid buu is 8,400,000,000 moro can keep up with current super saiyan vegeta despite being old I'd say vegeta (SSJ): 5,000,000,000,000 and Moro is 10,000,000,000,000 plus his telekinesis.

he did use the planet to control the angel power despite having trouble controlling it his own so props for him merging with it.

but he did have trouble at first despite the Molesting even moro himself couldn't keep up with the speed of UI sign or the air punches goku used he even resorted to using magic to restrain goku's movements but even that was not enough and now I see goku moves at top speed to dodge the the energy absorption even when moro and goku went full power goku still managed to push him back i'll admit even when he lost he got stronger after merus disappeared to the point of mastering mui

I didn't say his raw power was ever ignored I just say that he uses magic and cunning thinking more to win his fights and he does right????

Well I have to bring it up his old self is a prime example to this discussion

Alright then

 

[Pyro]

if Whis claimed Jiren is above Belmod/beerus and Goku can use MUI and dominated him then Beerus is in trouble even though he has an unmastered version of UI

MUi Goku: 12.5, Super Full Power Jiren: 12.1, 100% Belmod: 11 100% Beerus: 10 if Beerus can use his version of ui and finish mastering it then I'll admit he's above even though its been shrugged off-in universe and forgotten I'm sure Beerus is going to give a damn if he finds people stronger than him

Except Whis didn't claim that, manga-wise. You can't mix anime and manga continuities. Quitela was the one that beat Beerus in the arm wrestling match in the manga. Jiren was only stated to be above Belmod in the manga. Toyotaro was very clear that Beerus was still a being that Goku needed to improve toward. His written words were very clear that Goku and Vegeta were the strongest in Universe 7, and Beerus still beat the tar out of Vegeta with absolute ease.

Beerus ~ Quitela > Goku > Vegeta > Broly > Jiren > Belmod

That's what the manga lays out and what the author himself backed up in more than one way.

Pick a lane: anime or manga, and if you choose anime then you can't go beyond the ToP. If you choose the manga, you can't incorporate what the anime says about certain events and characters over what the manga says.

 

[MikaelHarding]

Except Whis didn't claim that, manga-wise. You can't mix anime and manga continuities. Quitela was the one that beat Beerus in the arm wrestling match in the manga. Jiren was only stated to be above Belmod in the manga. Toyotaro was very clear that Beerus was still a being that Goku needed to improve toward. His written words were very clear that Goku and Vegeta were the strongest in Universe 7, and Beerus still beat the tar out of Vegeta with absolute ease.

Beerus ~ Quitela > Goku > Vegeta > Broly > Jiren > Belmod

That's what the manga lays out and what the author himself backed up in more than one way.

Pick a lane: anime or manga, and if you choose anime then you can't go beyond the ToP. If you choose the manga, you can't incorporate what the anime says about certain events and characters over what the manga says.

anime it just seems more relevant

 

[Pyro]

anime it just seems more relevant

OK, understandable, but then why include Merus and Moro and Moro's henchmen? Why are Quitela and Beerus tied? Spirit Fission Vegeta doesn't exist in the anime. Gohan and Kefla are definitely not tied in the anime. Stuff like that shouldn't be on the list if you're going by the anime.

 

[MikaelHarding]

OK, understandable, but then why include Merus and Moro and Moro's henchmen? Why are Quitela and Beerus tied? Spirit Fission Vegeta doesn't exist in the anime. Gohan and Kefla are definitely not tied in the anime. Stuff like that shouldn't be on the list if you're going by the anime.

I wanted as many strong characters as I could get and technically their both the same just different versions

 

[Pocket-Gog~]

I wanted as many strong characters as I could get and technically their both the same just different versions

No.

 

[MikaelHarding]

No.

huh

 

[Pyro]

I wanted as many strong characters as I could get and technically their both the same just different versions

I get that, but you can't include guys like Moro because they're directly affected by prior powerscaling. If even one character is different, that affects everything like a domino effect. That's why combining anime and manga doesn't work. There are too many differences in the powerscale.

 

[MikaelHarding]

I get that, but you can't include guys like Moro because they're directly affected by prior powerscaling. If even one character is different, that affects everything like a domino effect. That's why combining anime and manga doesn't work. There are too many differences in the powerscale.

but the anime and manga are essentially the same thing

 

[Pyro]

but the anime and manga are essentially the same thing

No, they're not. They have the same very basic outline, but everything beyond that is done differently. The fact that Goku didn't absorb Super Saiyan God in the manga sets it on a far different path than the anime. It can't be combined unless you ignore things, but then there's no point.

 

[MikaelHarding]

No, they're not. They have the same very basic outline, but everything beyond that is done differently. The fact that Goku didn't absorb Super Saiyan God in the manga sets it on a far different path than the anime. It can't be combined unless you ignore things, but then there's no point.

but they can make it to have goku absorb super saiyan god later in the manga it's just a matter of when