DragonBall Super (Manga) characters status-quo compared to DragonBall Z?

[Fantastische Hure]

You know the usual. How do their regular forms in the manga compare to powers in DragonBall Z and how did they compare through-out the series?

Did Goku in his regular-state ever surpass Vegetto? Did he just do it now? Did he do it since the beginning of DragonBall Super?

What about Freeza now? I mean compared to DragonBall Z.

All about the manga of-course.

 

[Let's Go Fearless!]

That depends on how the FnF happened in the manga version since the fight between Freeza and base Goku confirmed that Goku definitely surpassed SSjin3 Vegito at least in the anime.

 

[Fantastische Hure]

Definitely?

 

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Manga Base Goku never became anything special.

 

[Let's Go Fearless!]

Definitely?

Base Goku >= 4th Freeza >>>>> First form Freeza > SSjin/2 Gohan ~ Mr. Boo

Remember the gap between Base Freeza and his final form is 200x at minimum at best.

 

[Fantastische Hure]

Manga Base Goku never became anything special.

 

[Captain Cadaver]

You know the usual. How do their regular forms in the manga compare to powers in DragonBall Z and how did they compare through-out the series?
Did Goku in his regular-state ever surpass Vegetto? Did he just do it now? Did he do it since the beginning of DragonBall Super?
What about Freeza now? I mean compared to DragonBall Z.
All about the manga of-course.

There's no need to place Anime/Manga Goku/Vegeta's lower forms any different than the anime, given how the fight against Hit played out in the manga. That said, I agree wholeheartedly with Fearless' chain of Base Goku (post-God) > SS3 Vegetto (Pre-God). Pre-God, however, his SS3 form would only be superior to Base Vegetto (Boo).

Same applies to True form Freeza, though I'd say the gap between his 1st and true form has increased massively, considering Freeza wasn't given any feats/statements to suggest his 1st form was completely beyond someone like Boo or other non-God tiers.

 

[Pyro]

RoF is garbaged in the manga, so it's wide open for interpretation, I think. Compared to the Boo Saga dudes, Goku and Vegeta are probably less than 10x stronger by now, give or take a couple times.

 

[Fantastische Hure]

You know the usual. How do their regular forms in the manga compare to powers in DragonBall Z and how did they compare through-out the series?
Did Goku in his regular-state ever surpass Vegetto? Did he just do it now? Did he do it since the beginning of DragonBall Super?
What about Freeza now? I mean compared to DragonBall Z.
All about the manga of-course.

There's no need to place Anime/Manga Goku/Vegeta's lower forms any different than the anime, given how the fight against Hit played out in the manga. That said, I agree wholeheartedly with Fearless' chain of Base Goku (post-God) > SS3 Vegetto (Pre-God). Pre-God, however, his SS3 form would only be superior to Base Vegetto (Boo).

Same applies to True form Freeza, though I'd say the gap between his 1st and true form has increased massively, considering Freeza wasn't given any feats/statements to suggest his 1st form was completely beyond someone like Boo or other non-God tiers.

What about the 10% line?

 

[Captain Cadaver]

The 10% line just proves how much Goku/Vegeta have closed the gaps between their lower forms and SSG/SSB. Whilst Goku not being noted to be stronger than 10% SSB Vegeta until going SSG, his feats clearly show it wasn't by much. So much as estimating Hit's attack pattern allowed both Base and SSJ Goku to counter the technique which took down 10% SSB Vegeta. Whilst Hit's Time Leap likely did so via accumulative damage, the accumulation clearly isn't a godlike boost, given it wasn't enough to bridge the gap between SSG and SSB, which based on the Vegeta VS Black rematch, isn't too great of a jump, since SSG Vegeta could dodge Black's attacks easily whilst Black wasn't oneshotted by SSB. The gap between the two forms probably isn't close to that between even SSJ and SS2, with Hit's Time Leap being even less.

SS2 Goku ~> Initial Hit's Time Leap Damage > 10% SSB Vegeta > SSJ Goku > Initial Hit seems accurate.

 

[Pyro]

The 10% line just proves how much Goku/Vegeta have closed the gaps between their lower forms and SSG/SSB. Whilst Goku not being noted to be stronger than 10% SSB Vegeta until going SSG, his feats clearly show it wasn't by much. So much as estimating Hit's attack pattern allowed both Base and SSJ Goku to counter the technique which took down 10% SSB Vegeta. Whilst Hit's Time Leap likely did so via accumulative damage, the accumulation clearly isn't a godlike boost, given it wasn't enough to bridge the gap between SSG and SSB, which based on the Vegeta VS Black rematch, isn't too great of a jump, since SSG Vegeta could dodge Black's attacks easily whilst Black wasn't oneshotted by SSB. The gap between the two forms probably isn't close to that between even SSJ and SS2, with Hit's Time Leap being even less.

SS2 Goku ~> Initial Hit's Time Leap Damage > 10% SSB Vegeta > SSJ Goku > Initial Hit seems accurate.

To be fair, it was heavily implied Vegeta was toying with Black, which would explain why Black wasn't immediately one-shotted.

 

[Let's Go Fearless!]

The 10% line just proves how much Goku/Vegeta have closed the gaps between their lower forms and SSG/SSB. Whilst Goku not being noted to be stronger than 10% SSB Vegeta until going SSG, his feats clearly show it wasn't by much. So much as estimating Hit's attack pattern allowed both Base and SSJ Goku to counter the technique which took down 10% SSB Vegeta. Whilst Hit's Time Leap likely did so via accumulative damage, the accumulation clearly isn't a godlike boost, given it wasn't enough to bridge the gap between SSG and SSB, which based on the Vegeta VS Black rematch, isn't too great of a jump, since SSG Vegeta could dodge Black's attacks easily whilst Black wasn't oneshotted by SSB. The gap between the two forms probably isn't close to that between even SSJ and SS2, with Hit's Time Leap being even less.

SS2 Goku ~> Initial Hit's Time Leap Damage > 10% SSB Vegeta > SSJ Goku > Initial Hit seems accurate.

To be fair, it was heavily implied Vegeta was toying with Black, which would explain why Black wasn't immediately one-shotted.

But Black was letting Vegeta to kicked his ass as well right?

 

[Pyro]

The 10% line just proves how much Goku/Vegeta have closed the gaps between their lower forms and SSG/SSB. Whilst Goku not being noted to be stronger than 10% SSB Vegeta until going SSG, his feats clearly show it wasn't by much. So much as estimating Hit's attack pattern allowed both Base and SSJ Goku to counter the technique which took down 10% SSB Vegeta. Whilst Hit's Time Leap likely did so via accumulative damage, the accumulation clearly isn't a godlike boost, given it wasn't enough to bridge the gap between SSG and SSB, which based on the Vegeta VS Black rematch, isn't too great of a jump, since SSG Vegeta could dodge Black's attacks easily whilst Black wasn't oneshotted by SSB. The gap between the two forms probably isn't close to that between even SSJ and SS2, with Hit's Time Leap being even less.

SS2 Goku ~> Initial Hit's Time Leap Damage > 10% SSB Vegeta > SSJ Goku > Initial Hit seems accurate.

To be fair, it was heavily implied Vegeta was toying with Black, which would explain why Black wasn't immediately one-shotted.

But Black was letting Vegeta to kicked his ass as well right?

Not after the RoSaT.

 

[Let's Go Fearless!]

To be fair, it was heavily implied Vegeta was toying with Black, which would explain why Black wasn't immediately one-shotted.

But Black was letting Vegeta to kicked his ass as well right?

Not after the RoSaT.

Yup, I was talking about during their 1st trip to the future. Trunks was suspicious why Black was getting destroyed by Vegeta.

 

[Keedounan]

But Black was letting Vegeta to kicked his ass as well right?

Not after the RoSaT.

Yup, I was talking about during their 1st trip to the future. Trunks was suspicious why Black was getting destroyed by Vegeta.

I doubt that Black was holding back. I mean, there is no concrete evidence that he did, right ?

 

[Pyro]

Oh, you mean that. Then no, it wasn't implied Black was allowing himself to be beaten. He was getting angry that he couldn't fight back, and he was clearly incapacitated before Zamasu saved him. He even thanked Zamasu for saving his life and wondered what took him so long.

The general idea being pushed there was that Black was definitely outmatched by SSJ2 Vegeta. It's possible Black might've gone in thinking to gather some damage at first, but that idea went out the window.

 

[Let's Go Fearless!]

Then why was Trunks feels so suspicious here?

Spoiler

It does look like that he didn't thought Black would be manhandle like that.

 

[Keedounan]

Then why was Trunks feels so suspicious here?

Spoiler

It does look like that he didn't thought Black would be manhandle like that.

Trunks was probably suspecting that Black still had something up his sleeve, which turned out to be the case with Future Zamasu, his Zenkai and his SSJR. However, it doesn't necessarily mean that Black was holding back, especially with everything Pyro pointed out.

 

[Let's Go Fearless!]

Then why was Trunks feels so suspicious here?

Spoiler

It does look like that he didn't thought Black would be manhandle like that.

Trunks was probably suspecting that Black still had something up his sleeve, which turned out to be the case with Future Zamasu, his Zenkai and his SSJR. However, it doesn't necessarily mean that Black was holding back, especially with everything Pyro pointed out.

That does make sense, it seems that Trunks face gave us a hint that the fight isn't over yet.

 

[Keedounan]

Then why was Trunks feels so suspicious here?

Spoiler

It does look like that he didn't thought Black would be manhandle like that.

Trunks was probably suspecting that Black still had something up his sleeve, which turned out to be the case with Future Zamasu, his Zenkai and his SSJR. However, it doesn't necessarily mean that Black was holding back, especially with everything Pyro pointed out.

That does make sense, it seems that Trunks face gave us a hint that the fight isn't over yet.

Well, it would have been underwhelming if a DB arc ended so easily, right ?