DragonBall Tier-List

[Kyo]

I dunno how I'd compare Akkuman and Android #8. I guess Akkuman might be higher, but it's hard to tell. Goku one-shotted him but it looked like he had to go all-out. Not sure how #8 would fare.

 

[Fantastische Hure]

I dunno how I'd compare Akkuman and Android #8. I guess Akkuman might be higher, but it's hard to tell. Goku one-shotted him but it looked like he had to go all-out. Not sure how #8 would fare.

Well Android #8 was introduced during Muscle-Tower, and Goku called really strong, but Akkuman could potentially be way above Mummy-kun, what with his confidence even after Goku won against Mummy-kun in one-shot. And everyone was shocked when Goku countered Akkuman at the beginning.

btw, about Chapa-o I just don't know, meng. I know you are probably sick of hearing about it, but

I mean why does Goku call Yamcha, and Kuririn incredible, but call Chapa-o weak, if they're all around the same power? It just doesn't make much sense to me. It seems weird.

Also, if two Chapa-o level fighters fought at equal levels, like Yamcha and Tenshinhan fought, do you really think there had been such a re-action like there was for the Yamcha, and Tenshinhan fight? Or let's say 2 Chapa-os somehow fighting each-other, it seems very out there to think there could have been even close to the re-action that the Yamcha vs Tenshinhan fight had. Even Master-Roshi was amazed by how much Yamcha had become stronger.

Sometimes it might just seem more likely that AT retconed it as he went along. I mean if you were reading Weekly-Shonen-Jump at the time, we were probably supposed to wonder who'd win the fight against Kuririn and Goku, which'd wouldn't make sense if Kuririn was only about as strong as Chapa-o.

Also something about Drum. :mrgreen:

 

[Fantastische Hure]

Also I think Karin should probably be in Goku's tier.

Meng, does this list suck or what

 

[Animelover5487]

Nah this list is pretty good. A few disagreements here and there though.

Such as I would put the Ox King above 21st Krillin since he was Roshi's second best student, and Roshi while impressed with Krillin's capabilities wasn't jaw-dropped like he was with Goku so we can assume that this wasn't contradicted yet.

Tenshinhan and Weighted Goku should be a tier above King Piccolo. Ten stated that Goku was far above the level he was three years ago.

 

[Fantastische Hure]

Nah this list is pretty good. A few disagreements here and there though.

Such as I would put the Ox King above 21st Krillin since he was Roshi's second best student, and Roshi while impressed with Krillin's capabilities wasn't jaw-dropped like he was with Goku so we can assume that this wasn't contradicted yet.

Tenshinhan and Weighted Goku should be a tier above King Piccolo. Ten stated that Goku was far above the level he was three years ago.

Thanks, but I feel like there are just some things wrong with this list. I don't know, I might have a bit of a perfectionist complex when it comes to things I care, I can't stand when something is wrong or doesn't make sense to me.

I think Kuririn's becoming stronger after the training puts them above Gyumao. Goku, and Kuririn, before Goku's tail grew-back were about on-par with each-other, and I think they both surpassed him. Also about the new-generation surpassing the old generation, but that's a more desperate argument.

Also only after his fight with Nam did Master-Roshi think he had to go all-out against Goku, but that doesn't really have to mean Gyumao seemed stronger to Roshi than Goku up until that point, just because Master-Roshi didn't make a comment like that up-to that point.

 

[Fantastische Hure]

Oh yeah also about Weighted Goku, and Tenshinhan. I don't think Tenshinhan has to be leagues above Young Piccolo or Goku.

For one his out-speeding of Goku, wasn't really that epic. I mean yeah he definitely was stronger, but I don't think he was speed-blitzing him.

Also if you look at this:

Chapter: 177, P1.2-4, P2.1
Tenshinhan: “Son, you are truly incredible. 3 years ago, your strength was all but perfect. I’m amazed that you’ve managed to go so far above even that. However, there’s one thing that you haven’t changed that much from 3 years ago. And that’s something especially important in battle…speed!”

Tenshinhan calls Goku's power from 3 years ago "all but perfect", so basically very nearly perfect. But then says that's he's amazed that Goku has gone even so far above that, which I take to mean as getting to Goku's level from 3 years ago is already an accomplishment by itself, so even going a noticeable amount above that is going so far above that (in Tenshinhan's words). Like if you thought you reached the very top of power, but then going even just a bit beyond that is amazing, and you can phrase it like Tenshinhan did.

 

[Fantastische Hure]

So yeah, I assumed I screwed-up the reply.

 

[Animelover5487]

I have Tailless Goku nearing Gyumaro at 96 and 100, respectively (I have a 1.2x gap between Untailed Goku and Krillin since I want to keep the same increase/decrease Goku had at the BoDB while still keeping Krillin far, far away from Goku/Roshi). I just think that Roshi' was moderately impressed by Krillin's progress but it wasn't really astonishment which I think would be the reaction if Krillin managed to surpass one of his strongest students in less than a year. It's not necessary or anything but it's just an opinion of mine.

As for the gap between Tenshinhan/Weighted Goku. I don't think their is any reason to look so much into it. Ten knew Goku it was a given that Goku was going to get stronger but to that extent was what truly impressed him hence why he said "so far above even that". That implies a sizeable gap. As for the fight itself Ten didn't blitz Goku because as Ten said:

Chapter: 177, P8.1-2
Tenshinhan: “So just like I thought, your speed alone hasn’t changed. Son, I’m sorry but I’m going to win this contest! You can follow me with your eyes, but your actual body can’t keep up! This is a critical weakness!”

So basically Goku can see where Tien will show up at but can't keep up with them due to his significantly inferior reaction time.

 

[Fantastische Hure]

I have Tailless Goku nearing Gyumaro at 96 and 100, respectively (I have a 1.2x gap between Untailed Goku and Krillin since I want to keep the same increase/decrease Goku had at the BoDB while still keeping Krillin far, far away from Goku/Roshi). I just think that Roshi' was moderately impressed by Krillin's progress but it wasn't really astonishment which I think would be the reaction if Krillin managed to surpass one of his strongest students in less than a year. It's not necessary or anything but it's just an opinion of mine.

As for the gap between Tenshinhan/Weighted Goku. I don't think their is any reason to look so much into it. Ten knew Goku it was a given that Goku was going to get stronger but to that extent was what truly impressed him hence why he said "so far above even that". That implies a sizeable gap. As for the fight itself Ten didn't blitz Goku because as Ten said:

Chapter: 177, P8.1-2
Tenshinhan: “So just like I thought, your speed alone hasn’t changed. Son, I’m sorry but I’m going to win this contest! You can follow me with your eyes, but your actual body can’t keep up! This is a critical weakness!”

So basically Goku can see where Tien will show up at but can't keep up with them due to his significantly inferior reaction time.

I think Goku, and Kuririn were about on-par before Goku's tail grew back. There is also the boulder moving thing after their training I think where Goku does a bit better than Kuririn, but not amazingly so.

I think the "so far above even that", is one of the reasons why I go with that interpretation. Goku's power 3 years ago was nigh-perfect (according to Tenshinhan) to him surpassing that power even more is amazing. He says above even that. So if you look at the quote, and what Tenshinhan said all-together to him, Goku going so far above even the power of his 3 years ago is amazing. It doesn't have to be by a lot or anything. It can be a noticeable amount, and what Tenshinhan said could still make sense with that interpretation, in my opinion.

Also like I said Goku didn't get speed-blitzed by Tenshinhan, and according to Tenshinhan that speed was on-par with Goku's from 3 years ago. Goku was on the defensive after a while, but he was still able to block Tenshinhan's hits, even-though it didn't seem to me like Tenshinhan was really going for the win at that point, but still.

 

[Fantastische Hure]

btw, don't get me wrong I think the gap is still about 1.2x or 1.25x if I were to do numbers, but it's just not by that much that I'd consider it a different league

 

[p123]

It' quite possible Tien's Power > Speed even when Tien raises his speed. It seems Goku and Tien have all sorts of power/speed ratio issues.

It doesn't seem that Goku raises his speed when he uses his battle level.

 

[GSM123]

That's good stuff

 

[Fantastische Hure]

That's good stuff

 

[GSM123]

But srsly, if i disagree with something do i have to complain to Kyo? mg

Because i'm taking a deep look and i may have a few.

 

[Fantastische Hure]

But srsly, if i disagree with something do i have to complain to Kyo? mg

Because i'm taking a deep look and i may have a few.

I can try as-well.

 

[GSM123]

I can try as-well.

Here i come thrn

Silver and Murasaki are way higher IMO. Goku said he oughta keep an eye on Silver and needs do dodge his punch when he kicks him on the guts. As for Murasaki, he's able to keep up with Goku's speed for a while, and even better than Silver did.

I think Mummy is too high. Roshi said Goku probably couldn't beat him and he didn't even see Goku after the Budokai. I think Mummy ranges from bottom of tier 17 (Just below MT Goku) to top of tier 18 (Just above 21st Goku).

Why Cymbal a tier above Kuririn? He's multiple times below Tambourine. That's Tao level at best.

Match Level Goku > 22nd Goku? Isn't that too haxed? I doubt Goku fought Yajirobe using anything less than his full power.

Any reason for Chi-Chi and Chaozu be that strong? Just askin'.

 

[Fantastische Hure]

I can try as-well.

Here i come thrn

Silver and Murasaki are way higher IMO. Goku said he oughta keep an eye on Silver and needs do dodge his punch when he kicks him on the guts. As for Murasaki, he's able to keep up with Goku's speed for a while, and even better than Silver did.

I think Mummy is too high. Roshi said Goku probably couldn't beat him and he didn't even see Goku after the Budokai. I think Mummy ranges from bottom of tier 17 (Just below MT Goku) to top of tier 18 (Just above 21st Goku).

Why Cymbal a tier above Kuririn? He's multiple times below Tambourine. That's Tao level at best.

Match Level Goku > 22nd Goku? Isn't that too haxed? I doubt Goku fought Yajirobe using anything less than his full power.

Any reason for Chi-Chi and Chaozu be that strong? Just askin'.

He didn't really expect Colonel Silver to be much of anything other than a normal human maybe, that's why he was caught off guard. Could be. Ninja Murasaki, I can't remember much but I think I remember Goku defeating him rather easily but I still gave him his props. He's still around tail-less 21 tournament Goku level.

But you also have Kuririn's comment on the fight against Mummy-kun and also I wanted to separate the tier at some point, l0l.

I didn't have to really think about numbers in this case, so I just went crazy. :elmo :elmo :elmo

Nah, not really besides really liking that placement for them. Chaozu also trained with Karin just like the others and so-on.

Most of the stuff I don't even remember anymore but I tried.