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[MikaelHarding]

Gone

 

[Yoshi]

I advise you to avoid using the SEG numbers for Super Saiyan 2 and Super Saiyan 3.

 

[MikaelHarding]

I advise you to avoid using the SEG numbers for Super Saiyan 2 and Super Saiyan 3.

why?

 

[Yoshi]

why?

They're too minimalist.

 

[Pocket-Gog~]

Kaioken Forms:
Kaioken: 1.5x Base
Kaioken: x2: 2x Base
Kaioken: x3: 3x Base
Kaioken: x4: 4x Base
Kaioken: x10: 10x Base
Kaioken: x20: 20x Base
Super Kaioken: 75x Base or 1.5x Super Saiyan


Saiyan Forms:
Oozaru: 10x Base
False Super Saiyan: 25x Base
Super Saiyan: 50x Base
Super Saiyan: (Grade 2): 75x Base or 1.5x Super Saiyan
Super Saiyan: (Grade 3): 87.5x Base or 1.75x Super Saiyan
Super Saiyan 2: 100x Base or 2x Super Saiyan
Super Saiyan 3: 400x Base or 4x Super Saiyan 2
Super Saiyan 4: 600x Base or 6x Super Saiyan 3
Super Saiyan God: 1,000x Base or 10x Super Saiyan 4
Super Saiyan God Super Saiyan: 50,000x Base or 50x Super Saiyan God
Ultra Instinct: 120,000,000,000x Base
Mastered Ultra Instinct: 300,000,000,000x Base

I can see one big massive inaccuracy here

 

[SSJ2]

Kaioken = Kaioken x2

 

[GreatSaiyaman123]

According to the narrator, Kaio-Ken is a 2x boost. “Kaio-Ken” is the name of the technique, 2x is the first level of it.

 

[MikaelHarding]

so no Kaioken: 1.5x Base

 

[SSJ2]

 

[Papasmurf]

Wasn't it stated that SSJG is far greater than 1/10th of Blue's power? Is this anime-only?

 

[MikaelHarding]

Wasn't it stated that SSJG is far greater than 1/10th of Blue's power? Is this anime-only?

I think thats manga-only

 

[Papasmurf]

I think thats manga-only

Doesn't the anime follow the manga at points, like SSJG being a superior form balance/stamina-wise and them needing to use Blue in bursts to be more cost effective with Ki

 

[GreatSaiyaman123]

Doesn't the anime follow the manga at points, like SSJG being a superior form balance/stamina-wise and them needing to use Blue in bursts to be more cost effective with Ki

Not as badly as SSJB where they lose 90% of their power by using it once though, otherwise Goku and Vegeta would’ve been pooped in the first episode of the ToP. It’s just in more of a “going all out costs stamina” sort of way.

 

[Papasmurf]

Not as badly as SSJB where they lose 90% of their power by using it once though, otherwise Goku and Vegeta would’ve been pooped in the first episode of the ToP. It’s just in more of a “going all out costs stamina” sort of way.

It seems like they've trained to overcome that deficiency (although it was never as pronounced as the manga anyway) and Galu even became capable of using Kaioken x 20 for a good amount of time by the ToP whereas lower levels of Kaioken fucked him up in the previous arcs.

 

[GreatSaiyaman123]

It seems like they've trained to overcome that deficiency (although it was never as pronounced as the manga anyway) and Galu even became capable of using Kaioken x 20 for a good amount of time by the ToP whereas lower levels of Kaioken fucked him up in the previous arcs.

He also said SSJB was the only form with enough stamina that he could use Kaio-Ken with in U6

 

[Papasmurf]

He also said SSJB was the only form with enough stamina that he could use Kaio-Ken with in U6

I don't understand how Galu has such ridiculously bad stamina in Blue while being able to sustain Blue Kaio-ken x 20 for an entire fight in the ToP along with SSJBE Vegeta

 

[GreatSaiyaman123]

I don't understand how Galu has such ridiculously bad stamina in Blue while being able to sustain Blue Kaio-ken x 20 for an entire fight in the ToP along with SSJBE Vegeta

It was mentioned Goku got pretty tired after both times using UI, but when Episode 122 came it just seemed like he was healed all of the sudden. If by the end of the ToP he had a breakdown and couldn’t even move anymore like in the Saiyan or Freeza Sags I could understand those earlier scenes as him forcing himself to keep up, but apparently he’s got limitless stamina. Maybe 17 and 18 gave him some of their infinite stamina when donating their Genki

 

[Papasmurf]

It was mentioned Goku got pretty tired after both times using UI, but when Episode 122 came it just seemed like he was healed all of the sudden. If by the end of the ToP he had a breakdown and couldn’t even move anymore like in the Saiyan or Freeza Sags I could understand those earlier scenes as him forcing himself to keep up, but apparently he’s got limitless stamina. Maybe 17 and 18 gave him some of their infinite stamina when donating their Genki

Boo probably split in two offscreen and fused with them to give them his self healing powers. After all Vegeta even went Blue Evolution straight after blowing himself up