Feats of Power Level List

[FeatsofPower]

20 Pre > 19 Post. Why is 19 Post stronger?

Because 19 powered up tremendously from absorbing Goku's Kamehameha.

 

[FeatsofPower]

But Gero didn’t know that, remember?

He did, but he didn't know what was up Vegeta's sleeve.

 

[FeatsofPower]

I think they are. Gero absorbed a blast from Vegeta anyway. He probably thinks he’s close to Vegeta just because he absorbed that blast.

Why would he think that? Gero has a power scouter and read everyone's power. He can do basic math, he is a genius, remember, he can do 2+2 no sweat.

Gero isn't guessing here. He's making mathematical calculations.

 

[GreatSaiyaman123]

Why would he think that? Gero has a power scouter

That told him 19 >> SSJ Goku and Vegeta lol

and read everyone's power.

He can’t, they’re all suppressed. That’s why he thought he could beat Piccolo.

He can do basic math, he is a genius, remember, he can do 2+2 no sweat.

Gero isn't guessing here. He's making mathematical calculations.

If these are mathematical calculations, then he can’t be that good at math because he’s wrong.

It’s not mere 2+2 because the Z Fighters always fooled the scouters with their suppression.

 

[FeatsofPower]

He can’t, they’re all suppressed. That’s why he thought he could beat Piccolo.

You do realize that makes your problem even worse, right?

If these are mathematical calculations, then he can’t be that good at math because he’s wrong.

When it's beyond the expected data is malfunctions. All powers beneath him should be read properly.

 

[Goku9001]

Because 19 powered up tremendously from absorbing Goku's Kamehameha.

Android 20 simply had a much higher starting point.

 

[FeatsofPower]

Android 20 simply had a much higher starting point.

Ah you forget one thing though, Sick Goku is leagues above 20. So what you are saying is unlikely. Not to mention 19 isn’t terribly far off from Goku as well.

So there’s really nowhere for you to go here.

Goku 100
19 Post 90
20 80
19 Pre 70

Show me your alternative solution.

 

[GreatSaiyaman123]

19 pre is terribly far off from Goku, but post should rival Sick Goku since he absorbed his strongest attack. Also made Vegeta bleed.

You do realize that makes your problem even worse, right?

No, it just shows Gero is a madman rambling about stuff he doesn’t understand. He thinks he can reach a mountain by standing on pebbles.

When it's beyond the expected data is malfunctions. All powers beneath him should be read properly.

So expected Vegeta could be whatever?

 

[Goku9001]

Ah you forget one thing though, Sick Goku is leagues above 20. So what you are saying is unlikely. Not to mention 19 isn’t terribly far off from Goku as well.

So there’s really nowhere for you to go here.

Goku 100
19 Post 90
20 80
19 Pre 70

Show me your alternative solution.

That's not true. Goku's power dropped dramatically from fighting and then unleashing his Kamehameha. 19 Post only beat that Goku once his power dropped even more. Goku was still taking multiple hits and recovered immediately even from a gut punch.

Nothing necessitates 20 Pre as 19 Pre's rival.

 

[FeatsofPower]

So expected Vegeta could be whatever?

He must be out of rivaling range I'd think.

19 Post only beat that Goku once his power dropped even more. Goku was still taking multiple hits and recovered immediately even from a gut punch.

What percentage of Goku is 19 Pre?

 

[Goku9001]

He must be out of rivaling range I'd think.


What percentage of Goku is 19 Pre?

Sick Goku:
~ Initial: 100
~ Post-Fighting: 90
~ Post-KHH: 75

Android 19:
~ Pre: 60
~ Post: 75

Android 20:
~ Pre: 85
~ Post: 100+

I'm just throwing out some numbers. I'd have to do a more comprehensive list to get the exact scaling down.

 

[FeatsofPower]

Goku did 0 damage to 19. He cannot be 60%. You have 19 at 60% of Vegeta. Every strike Vegeta lands causes massive damage, Goku hardly damages 19.

Whatever gap you have Vegeta and 19, 19 must be around 10% closer than that.

 

[GreatSaiyaman123]

I think you’re exaggerating. If Goku did 0 damage then he’d be weaker than 19. Gero said 19 was going to run out of energy with the beatdown. Goku’s Kamehameha would’ve ended 19.

I can see these gaps working though, even if I don’t agree with them. 20 has got no feats. At least 19 budged Vegeta.

SSJ Goku/Vegeta: 100
~ Sick: 75

Android 19: 40
~ Post: 50

Android 20: 54
~ Post: 64

 

[Goku9001]

Goku did 0 damage to 19. He cannot be 60%. You have 19 at 60% of Vegeta. Every strike Vegeta lands causes massive damage, Goku hardly damages 19.

Whatever gap you have Vegeta and 19, 19 must be around 10% closer than that.

I personally have 19 Post at 45-50% of Vegeta.

The main reason why I have 20 Pre above 19 Post is because Vegeta was concerned about 20 Pre's speed much more than 19 Post. I don't think he expected him to slip away from him nevertheless managed to intercept his ki blast and quickly scurry off without being followed.

 

[FeatsofPower]

I think you’re exaggerating. If Goku did 0 damage then he’d be weaker than 19. Gero said 19 was going to run out of energy with the beatdown.

It's hyperbole brother. Check the panels, 19 is shaking everything off quite easily.

I personally have 19 Post at 45-50% of Vegeta.

Ok, so you have Vegeta vs PC and Gohan vs PC at far greater gaps than that then right?

 

[FeatsofPower]

The main reason why I have 20 Pre above 19 Post is because Vegeta was concerned about 20 Pre's speed much more than 19 Post.

Then how come Goku was unable to damage 19?

 

[GreatSaiyaman123]

It's hyperbole brother. Check the panels, 19 is shaking everything off quite easily.

He shakes off Vegeta’s hits too. They don’t feel anything man, that’s part of their gimmick.

19 is Goku’s punchbag here. You don’t do that without doing damaging someone. You’re taking cosmetics over the actual feats, just because he’s not bleeding or missing teeth doesn’t mean he was tanking everything.

Here’s one thing I’ve been thinking about: Piccolo vs 20 is a similar gap to Vegeta vs 19. See if the fights aren’t similar. Doesn’t work if you’re shooting for 20 > 19 post, but that’s not implied anyway.

 

[Goku9001]

Then how come Goku was unable to damage 19?

Because they don't experience pain as Androids. That's what led Vegeta to believe that Android 18 wasn't fazed by his attacks even though that was a result of her being overwhelmingly stronger than him. That's the sort of advantage Android 19's physiology allows.

Ok, so you have Vegeta vs PC and Gohan vs PC at far greater gaps than that then right?

Yes. Vegeta vs. PC is equivalent to 33/100 and Gohan vs. PC is 40/100.

 

[Pyro]

So we're still on this gap consistency stuff, huh?

 

[GreatSaiyaman123]

So we're still on this gap consistency stuff, huh?

I wasn't, but these motherfuckers showed up and pulled me back in.