Fight Comparison

[ahill1]

but I always chalked that up to him hoping for some degree of absorption

I don't think he was confident due to the absorption (or at least not just it), since like you said he clearly was shocked after Goku elbow'd the fatso. If it were due to absorptions and he knew his fat android was outclassed, then I don't see his surprise at Goku beating him making sense.

I guess it could be "standing ki vs. fighting ki" but even then, to make such a giant miscalculation is kind of baffling.

But shouldn't a scouter machine read both as the same?

 

[p123]

No KP. He literally reads Goku's power and dismisses him. He thinks he has no chance against 19.

 

[xmysticgohanx]

I agree with P here, the KKx3 gap is noticeably bigger

 

[xmysticgohanx]

I agree with P here, the KKx3 gap is noticeably bigger

 

[p123]

Finally. I swear, I feel like the others are pushing an agenda here. Same with Vegeta vs 18. How can you compare Reecome vs Vegeta to 18 vs Vegeta?

 

[Pyro]

OK, so #19 starts out stronger than suppressed Goku. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

 

[ahill1]

Kkx3 Goku vs Vegeta

Spoiler

Goku vs Android #19

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Goku seems to be more frenetic against Vegeta, rushing it a bit more than against #19. Vegeta can feel pain and Goku wasn't even giving him time to think straight.

 

[p123]

Goku is going all out against both. He might be more rushed against Vegeta due to need. He only has KKx3 for so long. This is what happens when you have a 1.33x gap and you don't fuck around. If Goku's body didn't start breaking down, Vegeta would be finished very quickly after the fight ended. He wouldn't last much longer after that and Vegeta is as tough as nails. He took quite a beating.

For me, taking into account 19's mechanical body and it's advantages, I'd say these two fights are within the same realm of each other. Ahill, add in Goku's first attack on 19 to that post please.

 

[Evil Vegeta]

This is how I always saw Gero's calculations:

Goku's projected power: 70,000
W/Kaio-Ken: 140,000>210,000>280,000
Highest Possible Level: 800,000

Gero said they weren't expecting Goku to have any huge power-ups anymore, so the projected power even seems like a bit much. I just put it there for simplicities sake.

What Gero's power radar read when he transformed:

Super Saiyan Goku: 70,000,000

Gero said it was a considerable power-up that surpassed his numerical figures, but I don't believe it calculated Goku's power level accurately. That's why he seemed so confident in #19's ability to defeat Goku. I believe it generated a random level that was way below its actual level. When Vegeta transformed, he didn't think he'd do any better than Goku.

Similar to what BPP said about Gero being shocked at Goku's first attack, he has the same exact expression when Vegeta knocks #19 down with his first attack:

The scientist was clueless as fuck.

 

[p123]

His scouter can only read down properly. Once the powers are above himself, it seems like it goes out of wack. Remember how the scouters used to break? Think about if it didn't break, what kind of numbers it would read. It would be all over the place. So I think his scouter just works like shit with powers above him.

Everything below him should be accurate though.

 

[p123]

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[ahill1]

Since I'm using a 10x multiplier for ssj now, it's easier to go with suppressed Piccolo ~ Gohan + Kuririn + Tenshinhan.

 

[p123]

Why is that easier? I could see how it makes their power being a good power up, but I fail to see why you can't keep that chain regardless of boost.

 

[xmysticgohanx]

Kkx3 Goku vs Vegeta

And

Reacoom vs Vegeta should be next

 

[Pyro]

No, none of them should be next. This is the nitpickiest and yet most generalist shittles I ever done witnessed on a forum.

"Vegeta's eyes were wide when he was watching Goku move in this fight but he was narrow-eyed in this other fight. LIKE WTF DOES THAT MEAN?? ILLUMINATI EH?!"

 

[p123]

Hahaha you sound like Kaboom.