FP Goku vs Expected FP Perfect Cell gaps

[Natasha Romanoff]

I think something like this can work:

*G3 Trunks (before showing his true powers) and warm up Goku give to warm up Perfect Cell almost the same fight

G3 Trunks (initial) = 90
Warm up Goku = 90
Warm up Perfect Cell = 100

*Cell is said in Karin's prediction that Cell is a little bit ahead of Goku's displayed power, which his maximum power showed was Buff Cell

*There's no evidence Buff Cell is far ahead of G3 Trunks

50% Goku = Grade 3 Trunks (max power) <= Buff Perfect Cell (warm up)

50% Goku = 120
Grade 3 Trunks = 120
Buff PC = 125

Goku is said to have surpassed everyone upon going 100% and Trunks said Goku has no equal, so I'm inclined to believe that

100% Goku = 240
Expected FP Perfect Cell (Karin's estimation) = 250
Perfect Cell (vs Goku) = 264

What do you think?

 

[GreatSaiyaman123]

I don’t get the Buff Cell >= 50% Goku logic? Karin was comparing 100% Goku to what he expects FP Cell to be. Buff Cell was never meant to fight.

I think Cell (Vs Goku) = Cell (Karin’s expectations), and that the gap has to be a bit more than 1.1x. Cell didn’t even need to raise his power to fight SSJ Gohan.

 

[Natasha Romanoff]

I don’t get the Buff Cell >= 50% Goku logic? Karin was comparing 100% Goku to what he expects FP Cell to be. Buff Cell was never meant to fight.

And he only has Warm up Perfect Cell and Buff Perfect Cell to estimate Cell's depth of capabilities.

FP Cell being slightly ahead of FP Goku would include his latest level being greater than of Goku's highest power shown in order to that to be right.

I think Cell (Vs Goku) = Cell (Karin’s expectations), and that the gap has to be a bit more than 1.1x. Cell didn’t even need to raise his power to fight SSJ Gohan.

I think he has to be 1.4 or slightly more stronger than Goku, his adjusted level of speed was just 1.1 his power level.

 

[FeatsofPower]

Grade 3 Trunks is barely above Warm Up Cell, 50% Goku is LEAGUES beyond him. 50% Goku is possibly strong enough to compete with Full Power Cell. Warm Up Cell is noted as being nothing compared to what his full power might be.

This debate has always made zero sense to me. 50% Goku is on a completely different stratosphere than the Grade forms. It's night and day.

It's likely a multi fold gap here.

I mean, Base Goku > Kaioshin > Piccolo should say it all. Where in the world did Goku get so strong for his Base power to be that drastically strong. It can only happen one place, and that's MSSJ.

You can't have a proper power chain without putting 50% Goku >>> Grade 3 Trunks if you actually accept the Base Saiyan power.

 

[GreatSaiyaman123]

Grade 3 Trunks vs Cell is pretty massive. Cell says Trunks surpasses him by a “wide margin”.

 

[FeatsofPower]

Grade 3 Trunks vs Cell is pretty massive. Cell says Trunks surpasses him by a “wide margin”.

This is the world where they consider a 1.1x advantage huge. Even the anime doesn't have Trunks capable of tanking Cell. Trunks can't tank Cell at all.

 

[GreatSaiyaman123]

This is the world where they consider a 1.1x advantage huge. Even the anime doesn't have Trunks capable of tanking Cell. Trunks can't tank Cell at all.

Isn't 1.1x like Majin Vegeta vs CG Gohan level?

Even the anime doesn't have Trunks capable of tanking Cell. Trunks can't tank Cell at all.

Of course not. The anime likes to embellish fights, it's the last place you'd expect tanks to happen. They had Kuririn fighting Imperfect Cell ffs. Why are you so sure Trunks can't tank Cell?

 

[FeatsofPower]

Isn't 1.1x like Majin Vegeta vs CG Gohan level?

Yes, but often times, "huge", "tremendous", "wide" all mean monumentally different things than we initially assume.

Do you think Trunks can tank Cell? Yes or no?

Of course not. The anime likes to embellish fights, it's the last place you'd expect tanks to happen. They had Kuririn fighting Imperfect Cell ffs. Why are you so sure Trunks can't tank Cell?

Because tanking is an extreme feat and we have zero evidence that Trunks can.

Do you have any evidence other than "wide margin" how many times have we seen something like that not amount to anything big?

 

[GreatSaiyaman123]

Does 1st form Freeza look like he can tank Ginyu? You all but said 50% Goku is multiple times above Trunks too. But where’s the evidence he can tank him?

Trunks could be anywhere because the gap between Cell and Goku is massive. No idea why you’re trying to say Cell rivals Trunks.

 

[FeatsofPower]

Does 1st form Freeza look like he can tank Ginyu?

Sure, why not?

You all but said 50% Goku is multiple times above Trunks too. But where’s the evidence he can tank him?

Because the evidence suggests Goku is so much stronger than Trunks, he should be able to tank him. Whereas there is no evidence for Trunks being quite that strong.

Trunks could be anywhere because the gap between Cell and Goku is massive. No idea why you’re trying to say Cell rivals Trunks.

Heck, it might even be a 50x gap.

What do you think of Base Goku = Warm Up Goku?

Maybe that solves the issue with Piccolo being too weak for our liking from his Rosat training.

 

[Natasha Romanoff]

Grade 3 Trunks is barely above Warm Up Cell, 50% Goku is LEAGUES beyond him. 50% Goku is possibly strong enough to compete with Full Power Cell. Warm Up Cell is noted as being nothing compared to what his full power might be.

Cell said that Trunks' strength is far greater than his.

Spoiler

This debate has always made zero sense to me. 50% Goku is on a completely different stratosphere than the Grade forms. It's night and day.

Nothing suggest this.

 

[FeatsofPower]

Nothing suggest this.

The base Saiyans are way above Piccolo. That’s the evidence right there

 

[Natasha Romanoff]

The base Saiyans are way above Piccolo. That’s the evidence right there

And it also amounts to how strong you believe Piccolo is, which is quite subjective.

 

[FeatsofPower]

And it also amounts to how strong you believe Piccolo is, which is quite subjective.

How strong do you have him?

 

[Yoshi]

Piccolo should be as strong as his Light Grenade. Assuming Toriyama didn’t just forget Piccolo ever went into the ROSAT.

 

[Natasha Romanoff]

How strong do you have him?

He still ain't scratching Android 16.