FP Mecha Freeza vs Future 17 (Less than Half)

[p123]

How strong is your Future Vegeta?

 

[Pakl]

Goku wins... Gero is not much stronger than 19

 

[Fantastische Hure]

Goku wins... Gero is not much stronger than 19

This is not the question.

 

[p123]

Alright 10-0 that's a blowout, time to lock the thread, our questions have been answered. I'm surprised what a blowout this was, but man, the nerfers are going to be pissed!

 

[ahill1]

How strong is your Future Vegeta?

Honestly, I'm unsure whether he was a ssj or not.

 

[p123]

Either way, you are nerfing Future 17 for sure.

Future 17 > Future Gohan > Cyborg Freeza

 

[Ultimate Cell]

I have Mecha Freiza slightly stronger than Future 17 50% but Future 17 has that Infinite Energy stuff so he wins. My own levels. Future 17 50% 155,000,000. Mecha Freiza Full Power 160,000,000.

 

[p123]

I just don't see it in AT's universe. I can't imagine this brand new villain being only as strong as Freeza. Imagine what they would say. Man, this guy, he's just as strong as Freeza! He's killing us all. I just don't think it works that way in DB personally.

What I imagine is, Oh man, this new baddie is terrible, he's even stronger than Freeza!

 

[Let's Go Fearless!]

lol! Freiza doesn't stand a chance against Future 17 [LTH] the whole point of Mecha Frieza returning is to establish the fact that the future androids are whole new level compared to Freeza. Whether Frieza was at full power or not, that's not what Toriyama's mind.

 

[p123]

And that thought, completely changes the power level game for the Trunks Saga on.

 

[xmysticgohanx]

So SSJ Trunks > SSJ Future Gohan > #17 less than half > Mecha Freeza?

With SSJ Future Vegeta being a toss up?

 

[p123]

The big issue here is

Future 17 > Gohan > Freezamite

That extends Trunks/Goku further away.

 

[Pyro]

Half 17: 50
M. Freeza: 52
Gohan 1 arm snake: 60
17: 100

 

[p123]

It was a 11-0 shut out in the forum that...

Future 17 (Less than Half) > Cyborg Freeza

Any logic why that wouldn't be correct?

 

[Pyro]

No logic. Just personal view. Really doesn't matter to me if it was 11-0 or not in the grand scheme of things. DRINK IT IN, MANNNNNN.

 

[p123]

I think you have had a nerfing agenda for the last few topics. I think the bloat is getting under your skin. It doesn't make any sense for the new villain to be only the same as the old.

 

[SSJ2]

KP doesn't like following the norm. :bitch

 

[p123]

I think he is feeling the mighty pull of "These numbers are getting bloated, they must be wrong!" syndrome. I know all too well about this, for I am a minimalist. But I am also a realist. I think I found a happy medium recently, but they will be revealed at a much later date. In regards to the scenario here's some of the things I feel strongly about...

1) I don't give a damn what you have to do, I don't like Yardrat Goku being more than 2x Namek Goku. Period.
2) Future 17's should be roughly 40% against Gohan.

Those are my minimalist guidelines. These are my realistic guidelines.

1) Future 17 (Less than Half) > Ssj Gohan > Cyborg Freeza
2) Future Vegeta at this level is optional, but he should be over Cyborg Freeza and under Ssj Gohan if included.

I will say that the anime is clear on where Future Vegeta stands. He was not a Super Saiyan. At time of death, he is in base. Storywise, I do like the thought of Vegeta attaining Super Saiyan, I think it's possible to work the numbers in decent fashion anyhow.