Freeza > Base Saiyans

[ahill1]

@GokhanDBZfan

I didn't say anything regarding Kaioshin vs base Saiyans.

I think this just shows how inconsistent Akira Toriyama was during the Boo saga with these kind of things. Really, he should not give a fuck.

But that part of the Genki-Dama was inconsistent too, since the Genki is only a small part of the Chi, so much so that Mystic Gohan's donating his Genki wasn't enough to destroy Chibi Boo.

 

[Uchiha]

For Base Saiyans > Freeza the only issue is making Kaioshits a shit tier power sensor rather than just stupid

For Freeza > Base Saiyans

#18 is a docile bitch in the spaceship
Vegeta is an idiot for not realizing he'd have to go through Piccolo and #18 in base to get to Goku
Vegeta is an idiot for making the statement in the presence of #18
Kaioshin is a massive idiot
Kaioshin is completely clueless about people he claims to know
#18 is holding back consistently despite not being able to
I don't know who to call all idiot so I'll give to the people that insist on the theory beyond everything: Bobidi though PeePee could defeat Kaioshin with the help of three Saiyans or at least give him a fight, and Vegeta obliterated him

 

[kriss-]

Myself and several members from various communities have already established that there is nothing wrong with Freeza being stronger than Organic Freeza. Not to mention the overwhelming evidence I have in the OP to cement the statement into the fucking ground.

 

[Uchiha]

The "evidence" in your OP is a bunch of excuses

I'll admit Super did create this misunderstanding though and it's become somewhat common of a misunderstanding

 

[kriss-]

The "evidence" in your OP is a bunch of excuses

I'll admit Super did create this misunderstanding though and it's become somewhat common of a misunderstanding

It's only a problem because you're making it one. Akira Toriyama wrote the dialogue himself.

It's a fact.

 

[Let's Go Fearless!]

Yeah he forgot alot of things.

 

[kriss-]

You can't argue that he was forgetful prior to writing the dialogue for Battle of Gods, because:

http://www.kanzenshuu.com/translations/v-jump-may-2013-akira-toriyama-special-interview/

Shortly before making Battle of Gods:

Akira Toriyama-sensei
Special Interview

Dragon Ball creator Toriyama-sensei, who was deeply involved with the movie, descends!! He spoke to us about the movie with passion!!

Well, then, where did the concept of “Super Saiyan God” come from?
Whis says this too, but I thought, “‘Super Saiyan God’… if you ask me, that’s an exaggeration.” (laughs) Anyway, I re-read the work for the first time in ages

 

[Uchiha]

Doesn't mean shit. He still forgot a lot of things, even those that people don't dispute like how Boo was created. Rereading means jack and it didn't stop him from forgetting that. And he didn't write all of it and it's unclear what he wrote and didn't write. Toei was taking care of the fight scenes for the most part and the manga was based on the movie not the other way around.

Base Saiyans > Freeza is a fact in the original manga, but arguable in the newer content.

 

[kriss-]

-Akira Toriyama re-read the original Japanese Manga.
-Akira Toriyama felt compelled to write the script himself because there were things that only he would be aware of, such as Organic Freeza > Base Saiyans.
-Akira Toriyama said he wrote the script himself.

There was a lot of the sort of dialogue that only the creator would know, so I thought, 'that bothers me', and then this and that also started to get on my mind, and so rather than telling them to revise each individual thing, I thought it might be faster if I just wrote the script myself.

You have no evidence whatsoever to debunk anything that I've said in the last 4 pages, nor does anybody else. Doesn't that strike you as compelling?

Because there is no evidence.

Class dismissed.

 

[ahill1]

There are a lot of things implying base Saiyans > Freeza and you really have not dismossed it at all.

Kaboom himself admitted once that he doesn't like the base Saiyans surpassing Freeza because he wants it to be a particularity of SSJ. According to him, base surpassing Freeza would end up with SSJ's peculiarity. He even admitted he is a bit of a Freeza fanboy. I think there's a lot of bias reasons through his toughts, he is not impartial at all.

 

[kriss-]

There are a lot of things implying base Saiyans > Freeza and you really have not dismossed it at all.

Kaboom himself admitted once that he doesn't like the base Saiyans surpassing Freeza because he wants it to be a particularity of SSJ. According to him, base surpassing Freeza would end up with SSJ's peculiarity. He even admitted he is a bit of a Freeza fanboy. I think there's a lot of bias reasons through his toughts, he is not impartial at all.

Doesn't matter.

Akira Toriyama over-rides Herms and Kaboom, and all of the Dragonball forums combined.

 

[Uchiha]

He reread it and still forgot. Saying "reread" like it's some type of magical keyword isn't going to change anything. It's akin to stomping your feet on the ground like a kid.

The only thing you posted on the last pages are excuses. You've only convinced yourself.

 

[kriss-]

He reread it and still forgot. Saying "reread" like it's some type of magical keyword isn't going to change anything. It's akin to stomping your feet on the ground like a kid.

The only thing you posted on the last pages are excuses. You've only convinced yourself.

You're arguing that he forgot because <- Insert excuse ->; which is based on nothing and has no evidence.

Arguing that he re-read the Manga and then forgot about it while producing Battle of Gods shows that you have no respect for him or his work.

Your opinion should not be taken seriously, and I hope nobody takes it as such.

 

[Uchiha]

No it is based on something but you continually label what someone you argue against as "no evidence" and what you argue for as fact. There are many direct contradictions like Bulla/Bra vs Pans ages and Videl's pregnancy. They directly contradict the timeline. But you'll just ignore this again and call it no evidence.

Saying that I have no respect for him is not an argument and is an appeal to emotion.

I'm only posting here because each your posts are so riddled with holes and fallacies it's actually enjoyable as playing wackamole with a prediction goggles.

 

[ahill1]

I only think BoG/DBS happens in a different dimension, where the base Saiyans are still weaker than Freeza and Gohan didn't surpass Goku. I don't let it change my views of the original manga.

 

[Uchiha]

I'm not to concerned about it but yeah, that's what I do. I treat it the same as another movie, except maybe a bit more authority because AT helped with it..

 

[Fantastische Hure]

I only think BoG/DBS happens in a different dimension, where the base Saiyans are still weaker than Freeza and Gohan didn't surpass Goku. I don't let it change my views of the original manga.

What? Gohan didn't surpass Goku in Battle-of-Gods?

So you think SSj3 Goku (Boo Saga) >>> SSj3 Goku (Battle-of-Gods)?

 

[ahill1]

I only think BoG/DBS happens in a different dimension, where the base Saiyans are still weaker than Freeza and Gohan didn't surpass Goku. I don't let it change my views of the original manga.

What? Gohan didn't surpass Goku in Battle-of-Gods?

So you think SSj3 Goku (Boo Saga) >>> SSj3 Goku (Battle-of-Gods)?

I think in BoG was implied Goku > Gohan, despite it obviously contradicting the original manga. Besides, base Goku happens to be even weaker than Freeza, so in BoG's dimension, Mystic Gohan is less than 400x weaker than Freeza.

In the original manga, Mystic Gohan is probably already over 400x stronger than SSJ3 Goku, so it happens in a different dimension IMO.

 

[kriss-]

No it is based on something but you continually label what someone you argue against as "no evidence" and what you argue for as fact. There are many direct contradictions like Bulla/Bra vs Pans ages and Videl's pregnancy. They directly contradict the timeline. But you'll just ignore this again and call it no evidence.

Saying that I have no respect for him is not an argument and is an appeal to emotion.

I'm only posting here because each your posts are so riddled with holes and fallacies it's actually enjoyable as playing wackamole with a prediction goggles.

Well tomorrow, when I'm up for humoring your arguments that actually have no evidence, I'll go through your petty responses fairly easily.

You've pretty much been destroyed in this entire argument. Most of the community would agree with me, as many have already done.

 

[Fantastische Hure]

No it is based on something but you continually label what someone you argue against as "no evidence" and what you argue for as fact. There are many direct contradictions like Bulla/Bra vs Pans ages and Videl's pregnancy. They directly contradict the timeline. But you'll just ignore this again and call it no evidence.

Saying that I have no respect for him is not an argument and is an appeal to emotion.

I'm only posting here because each your posts are so riddled with holes and fallacies it's actually enjoyable as playing wackamole with a prediction goggles.

You've pretty much been destroyed in this entire argument. Most of the community would agree with me, as many have already done.

I don't. k k k