Freeza fight power levels

[Pakl]

I have Goku at 6,500,000 when he fought Freeza. 3,000,000 makes no sense.

 

[FeatsofPower]

I have Goku at 6,500,000 when he fought Freeza. 3,000,000 makes no sense.

Of course it doesn't. Welcome to 2010.

Goku being at least 6 million has always been a much safer starting ground.

 

[Goku9001]

The 3 million figure has always worked fine and I'm not really one to minimize gaps.

 

[FeatsofPower]

The 3 million figure has always worked fine and I'm not really one to minimize gaps.

It never worked fine. There's a million power levels with huge gaps in between from Freeza's over one million power level to Goku's 3 million power level.

There's literally like 10 significant jumps in power in between the two levels, making this a numerical impossibility.

 

[Goku9001]

It never worked fine. There's a million power levels with huge gaps in between from Freeza's over one million power level to Goku's 3 million power level.

There's literally like 10 significant jumps in power in between the two levels, making this a numerical impossibility.

2nd Form Frieza:
~ Initial: 1,060,000
~ Powered Up: 1,300,000
~ Full Power: 1,550,000

Piccolo:
~ Weighted: 1,350,000
~ Full Power: 1,600,000

3rd Form Frieza: 1,950,000

4th Form Frieza:
~Initial: 2,200,000
~vs. Vegeta/Warm Up: 2,700,000
~vs. Vegeta(Kick)/No Hands: 3,200,000

Vegeta:
~ Full Power: 2,200,000
~ Full Power (Blast): 2,750,000

Goku:
~ Warm Up: 2,600,000
~ Full Power: 3,000,000

The numbers look good man.

 

[GreatSaiyaman123]

1.12x from 3rd to 4th form? Idk man, I say 1.25x at least.

 

[Goku9001]

1.12x from 3rd to 4th form? Idk man, I say 1.25x at least.

It's a little tight but it can still work. It's basically around the same difference or slightly greater than Vegeta's power-up against Kaioken Goku.

 

[FeatsofPower]

~ Full Power: 1,600,000

3rd Form Frieza: 1,950,000

Nah, this is too close.

3rd Form Frieza: 1,950,000

4th Form Frieza:
~Initial: 2,200,000

C'mon now.


You would never ever ever ever come up with numbers like this if not for the 3 million number, so stop.

 

[ahill1]

Freeza (initially) 1,060,000
-- power up 1,200,000
-- FP 1,400,000

Piccolo 1,500,000

Freeza (3rd form) 1,850,000

Freeza (final form, initially) 2,530,000

Vegeta (final Zenkai) 2,300,000

Freeza (speed increase) 3,200,000

Goku 3,000,000
-- Kaioken 6,000,000

Freeza (no hands) 6,600,000

Easy

 

[SSJ2]

Goku 3,000,000
-- Kaioken 6,000,000

Fake news.

 

[ahill1]

Fake news.

I disagree. I see that as Kaioken, since in the B&W manga Goku seemed to showcase some features of it there, like a stronger and sharper aura than before and iirc a more white-ish eye. I just think the colored manga portrayed it incorrectly there, which was colored by Shueisha staff and had no Toriyama involvement iirc.

 

[FeatsofPower]

I disagree. I see that as Kaioken, since in the B&W manga Goku seemed to showcase some features of it there, like a stronger and sharper aura than before and iirc a more white-ish eye. I just think the colored manga portrayed it incorrectly there, which was colored by Shueisha staff and had no Toriyama involvement iirc.

This is literally the flight aura arc. Goku didn't use Kaioken.

 

[SSJ2]

I disagree. I see that as Kaioken, since in the B&W manga Goku seemed to showcase some features of it there, like a stronger and sharper aura than before and iirc a more white-ish eye. I just think the colored manga portrayed it incorrectly there, which was colored by Shueisha staff and had no Toriyama involvement iirc.

Chapter: 312 (DBZ 118), P14.2-5
Tenshinhan: "There’s nothing to worry about. Goku will win this match…Aren't you forgetting about the Kaio-Ken? As he is now, Goku is able to endure a maximum of up to about 10 times his power, right?"
Kaio: "Unfortunately... That Ten-Fold Kaio-Ken is what Goku is using now..."

This conveniently placed statement is put in right after Goku started using Kaioken. It would be an odd inclusion if Goku had been using an unstated number of Kaioken prior to this.

 

[ahill1]

Chapter: 312 (DBZ 118), P14.2-5
Tenshinhan: "There’s nothing to worry about. Goku will win this match…Aren't you forgetting about the Kaio-Ken? As he is now, Goku is able to endure a maximum of up to about 10 times his power, right?"
Kaio: "Unfortunately... That Ten-Fold Kaio-Ken is what Goku is using now..."

This conveniently placed statement is put in right after Goku started using Kaioken. It would be an odd inclusion if Goku had been using an unstated number of Kaioken prior to this.

I don't see how. Temshinhan emphasised the 10x Kaioken... It'd work the same had Goku used a low level Kaioken before.

 

[SSJ2]

"Forgetting about the Kaioken"

This statement wouldn't have been needed if Goku had been using it the whole time. Toriyama wanted to make it clear to the readers that Goku had only recently started using it.

 

[ahill1]

"Forgetting about the Kaioken"

This statement wouldn't have been needed if Goku had been using it the whole time. Toriyama wanted to make it clear to the readers that Goku had only recently started using it.

Forgetting about the Kaioken in the sense of what it can do. It isn't simply forgetting about the technique at all, but about the extent to which it can be used... Saying it in a literal manner would be dumb too, since he was talking to Kaio-sama... Ofc Kaio hadn't forgotten about it, maybe he just didn't consider the mastery over it Goku had by then.

 

[FeatsofPower]

Forgetting about the Kaioken in the sense of what it can do. It isn't simply forgetting about the technique at all, but about the extent to which it can be used... Saying it in a literal manner would be dumb too, since he was talking to Kaio-sama... Ofc Kaio hadn't forgotten about it, maybe he just didn't comsider the mastery over it Goku had by then.

Kaioken wouldn't be introduced without telling anyone. AT isn't going to sneak in Kaioken without anyone knowing here brother.

 

[ahill1]

You're just assuming things. He was introducing the Kaioken x10, not the Kaioken.

 

[ahill1]

And he has given clues. Look at Goku's aura and eyes when he charges at Freeza with no hands... Very similar to Goku's usage vs Nappa and Vegeta.

 

[FeatsofPower]

And he has given clues. Look at Goku's aura and eyes when he charges at Freeza with no hands... Very similar to Goku's usage vs Nappa and Vegeta.

AT doesn't give clues, he spells things out for you. Can you name another example when there's been a sneaky 2x boost applied that no one knew about?