Freeza-Mecha Freeza BP Experiment

[Future Warrior]

This is just an experiment. Doesn't correlate with my actual numbers.

Freeza arc

Goku
~ Initial - 7,500,000
~ Base - 10,000,000
~ Kaio-Ken x10 - 100,000,000
~ Kaio-Ken x20 - 200,000,000
~ Super Saiyan - 500,000,000

Freeza
~ Initial - 5,000,000
~ Power up 1 - 8,000,000
~ Power Up 2 - 10,800,000
~ 50% - 240,000,000
~ 100% - 480,000,000

Gohan
~ Initial - 300,000
~ Zenkai - 900,000

Vegeta
~ Initial - 480,000
~ Zenkai - 5,000,000

Kuririn
~ Full power - 250,000

Piccolo
~ Full power - 1,800,000

Mecha Freeza arc

Goku
~ Base - 50,000,000
~ Super Saiyan - 2,500,000,000

Trunks
~ Base - 40,000,000
~ Super Saiyan - 2,000,000,000

Vegeta
~ Full power - 12,500,000

Piccolo
~ Full power - 12,000,000

Mecha Freeza
~ Initial - 400,000,000
~ Full power - 540,000,000

Cold
~ Full power - 360,000,000

The Future

Gohan (2 arms)
~ Base - 25,000,000
~ Super Saiyan - 1,250,000,000

Gohan (1 arm)
~ Base - 36,000,000
~ Super Saiyan - 1,800,000,000

Artificial Human #17
~ 40% - 1,500,000,000
~ Full power - 3,750,000,000

Artificial Human #18
~ Full power - 3,375,000,000

Trunks
~ Base - 600,000
~ Super Saiyan - 30,000,000

Vegeta
~ Base - 20,000,000
~ Super Saiyan - 1,000,000,000

 

[withheldforprivacy]

WTF with the hax?

 

[Future Warrior]

Cause why not.

Hax4days

 

[ahill1]

Whilst I agree with Vegeta SSJ > Mecha Freeza, it doesn' have to be by a whooping 2x, does it?

 

[Future Warrior]

Whilst I agree with Vegeta SSJ > Mecha Freeza, it doesn' have to be by a whooping 2x, does it?

I feel Vegeta greatly improved in his training for 3 years.

 

[ahill1]

Ok. That's fair enough, even though seeing future Trunks being like 4x above Mecha Freeza a bit crazy ^_^.

 

[p123]

There's nothing factually wrong with it. You have to remember, what looks like bloating, is probably closer to reality. If we didn't have the Freeza Saga levels from AT, if anyone would have put those numbers in, they would be laughed at instantly, meanwhile, they were right. We constantly nerf things for some reason, perhaps we feel certain levels of power are shown respect. They usually aren't.

If you want to combat the hax, you have to go about it factually.

There's nothing factually that limits Future Vegeta > Cyborg Freeza. Which in all reality, is probably the most logical thing that never gets talked about ever. I'm an absolute genius GOD for bringing up this chain we all like to dismiss, but know it makes sense.

Future 17 > Future Gohan > Future Vegeta > Cyborg Freeza

That chain, is a fucking game changer. And it makes so much sense. Fuck the nerfers, the bloaters have priority here.

ahill, your list was comically nerfed.

Future 17 110
Cyborg Freeza 105

That's a joke. We all voted on who would win and it was unanimous. 10-0. Everyone feels Future 17 should be stronger.

He is the new villain, he deserves some respect. Not no puny boost like that.


Hey guys remember the days we had it like this?

Trunks 175
Cyborg Freeza 160
Goku Namek 150

Yep, those days are long gone aren't they?

 

[ahill1]

Well I also feel new villains (if even not at full power) should be above old villains. I just put him stronger without thinking too much about it, just choosing a higher number. The numbers can be pretty bloated if we don't have a ceiling. But in this case we have two ceilings putting a cap on power levels:

1- Future Gohan [1 arm] is above future #17 [~40%]. And full power future #17 shouldn't be weaker than androids saga Vegeta;

2- Base Saiyan kids ~ Android #18, possibly even lower. You were even advocating for that, going against my base ~ Cell Junior theory, remember?

 

[p123]

Dragonball is bloated. The humans should have never gone past Piccolo Daimao's level.

The Saiyan Saga is what started all the nonsense. I am perfectly fine leaving the powers of everyone where they were during the Raditz Saga. Everything else gets out of hand imo. The rest of the story is the last dream Goku has as he dies from Piccolo's blast.

 

[p123]

Yep, use the caps when necessary. Less than half isn't exactly 40%, you have some leeway there. Hell, 25% could be appropriate as well. Whatever works. It should make sense at least.

Base ~ Cell was a normal theory years ago, it's just at this level, it seems laughable. Like how Goku/Vegeta think about Dabura. Dabura would be a beast 7 years ago, now he's a schmuck. Same thing with that theory.

 

[ahill1]

Well, #17 wanted to show Gohan how outclassed he was, so if he used less than a third (<33%) sure he would say it, no?

 

[p123]

Do you really envision AT being so specific? I'm only using a quarter strength! Doesn't seem like something he would say is it?

 

[ahill1]

Well, that's being a bit out of universe. I'm going more by #17's perspective. But talking about AT, do you think he really had in mind like 20% when he said less than 50%?

Also, didn't Freeza said something like using a fraction of his power against Piccolo, or so?

 

[p123]

No Freeza didn't. I think something like 35% is acceptable.

 

[Future Warrior]

Does 17 really need to get into specifics?

 

[ahill1]

There was that line [freeza saying he was using a fraction] in the Spain version. I guess tuere's no such line in the original.

 

[p123]

40% is good in a perfect world, but there is some play there, that's all I'm saying. If someone had to use a third to make the other statements work, what can we really complain about?

 

[p123]

Also, I must scold you here since no one ever brings this up. Goku used two base powers against Freeza! You tell me where they are!

 

[Future Warrior]

Fixed

 

[p123]

Freeza had an advantage in the warm up and it only extended in the real fight (prior to Freeza using 50%). The devil is in the details my friend. I know you aren't trying to be too technical here, but this is important, so I will push you a little.

I think you have Cold too strong. His power is stated to be way less than Freeza's power on Namek.