Freeza Saga Numbers Revisit

[Power Level Guy]

Ok, I usually go with Freeza's initial true form doubling his 3rd Form power. But I can consider a 1.5x increase and see how it goes.

3rd Form Freeza 2,500,000
Vegeta 3,500,000
Freeza 3,750,000

Let me see how it plays out.

For me, I like Freeza doubling up because his power-up is absolutely massive. But maybe 1.5x won't be too bad.

 

[Yoshi]

True Form Freeza being double First Suppression Form Freeza is too high. That’s as big a jump in power as Imperfect Cell to Semi Perfect Cell. x1.5 works just fine, or even somewhere around the range of x1.4 to x1.67.

 

[Power Level Guy]

True Form Freeza being double First Suppression Form Freeza is too high.

Why? 2nd Form Freeza is double 1st Form Freeza and True Form Freeza's transformation is tremendously more epic.

That’s as big a jump in power as Imperfect Cell to Semi Perfect Cell.

Sure, why can't this be the case?

Freeza's final form transformation is more on par with Perfect Cell's massive transformation in terms of epicness.

x1.5 works just fine, or even somewhere around the range of x1.4 to x1.67.

1.5x is indeed fine, but I think 2x or better suits the narrative better. It's one of the most epic transformations in the history of Dragonball.

 

[Yoshi]

Why? 2nd Form Freeza is double 1st Form Freeza and True Form Freeza's transformation is tremendously more epic.


Sure, why can't this be the case?

Freeza's final form transformation is more on par with Perfect Cell's massive transformation in terms of epicness.


1.5x is indeed fine, but I think 2x or better suits the narrative better. It's one of the most epic transformations in the history of Dragonball.

I guess I just don’t bloat my power levels unless I absolutely have to.

 

[Power Level Guy]

I guess I just don’t bloat my power levels unless I absolutely have to.

Neither do I. But I also don't nerf mine either.

What I'm asking you to do is to rationally explain to me why Freeza's final transformation should be much smaller than his first one. Show me the evidence of why it should be smaller.

 

[GreatSaiyaman123]

Why would it be bigger, the same, anything? You can’t ask evidence for stuff that’s completely arbitrary. The fact this is just 2-3% of Freeza’s true power makes it even more arbitrary.

Tell me what’s wrong with a 1.25x boost between 3rd form and initial 4th. That’s more than what Zarbon got. And remember Vegeta expected a similar boost on Freeza’s first transformation?

 

[Power Level Guy]

Why would it be bigger, the same, anything? You can’t ask evidence for stuff that’s completely arbitrary. The fact this is just 2-3% of Freeza’s true power makes it even more arbitrary.

Freeza's final form transformation is 10x more epic than his 2nd form transformation. It takes longer, his aura is way bigger, his smoke cloud is bigger. It's a completely more devastating effect all around.

Why would it be smaller? The limited evidence we have suggests it is more grand, not less.

Tell me what’s wrong with a 1.25x boost between 3rd form and initial 4th.

Well going off of transformations, it would appear this is not a large enough boost. The Final Form transformation is suggested to be the largest by far.

That’s more than what Zarbon got. And remember Vegeta expected a similar boost on Freeza’s first transformation?

Zarbon did a nothing transformation. Freeza does one of the most devastating, epic transformations of all time. Why nerf it? To make some arbitrary numbers from a clueless guidebook work? I wouldn't do it, but if that's your reasoning at least own up to it.

 

[GreatSaiyaman123]

Freeza’s final form is the strongest. He’s like what, 50x his 3rd form? But he doesn’t show it. He just shows power that can do what 3rd form could but easier. How is this any different than arguing Initial Perfect Cell over Semi >>> Semi over Imperfect?

The visuals are just for drama. Freeza jumping to 50% is his biggest power up by far and he doesn’t even go 50%. It’s not nerfing if your argument amounts to “it looks cool” while mine is actually backed by other transformations in the manga.

 

[Power Level Guy]

Freeza’s final form is the strongest.

I am talking about initial power. Sure, the overall power is there, but why wouldn't the initial power be there too?

Perfect Cell's transformation was tremendously epic. His initial power-up should be larger than Imperfect Cell to Semi-Perfect Cell as well.

How is this any different than arguing Initial Perfect Cell over Semi >>> Semi over Imperfect?

That's exactly what I did.

The visuals are just for drama.

What are the visuals implying? Narrative is key here. Is it suggested to be a small power-up or a tremendous one?

It’s not nerfing if your argument amounts to “it looks cool” while mine is actually backed by other transformations in the manga.

Why would cooler looking transformations be defaulted as less powerful as less cool ones? The time and energy put into the transformation serves a narrative purpose. To not pick up on that is foolish.

 

[GreatSaiyaman123]

I am talking about initial power. Sure, the overall power is there, but why wouldn't the initial power be there too?

Perfect Cell's transformation was tremendously epic. His initial power-up should be larger than Imperfect Cell to Semi-Perfect Cell as well.

It is. Freeza blows everyone alway. But if 3rd form was already blowing everyone away, why does 4th form need to be massive?

Really? How you got that to work numerically? I’m talking about Cell when everybody thought he was below Vegeta, btw.

What are the visuals implying? Narrative is key here. Is it suggested to be a small power-up or a tremendous one?

That Freeza is strong. Same thing every other form implies.

Btw this isn’t about the Daizenshuu number. It requires a lot more crunching to work.

 

[Power Level Guy]

It is. Freeza blows everyone alway. But if 3rd form was already blowing everyone away, why does 4th form need to be massive?

Because Freeza's final form transformation is tremendously more epic than his 3rd Form transformation. Lol. This should be default.

His 2nd Form transformation was dramatic, it should be the second biggest transformation.

His 3rd Form was the least impressive and only warrants a 1.5x boost or whatever.

Really? How you got that to work numerically? I’m talking about Cell when everybody thought he was below Vegeta, btw.

We disagree on the narrative of that. Cell never actually showed power below Vegeta imo. He was always at the higher level, it's just a ruse to trick Vegeta.

That Freeza is strong. Same thing every other form implies.

How strong? Is he a lot stronger or just a little stronger? Would all that powering up equate to 1.1x boost? Or more? Not everything is Vegeta powering up on Earth.

Btw this isn’t about the Daizenshuu number. It requires a lot more crunching to work.

Just the opposite, if you aren't nerfing, it spaces things out far more properly.