Freeza vs Trunks

[xmysticgohanx]

I have Freeza 75% of Trunks

 

[withheldforprivacy]

A new unstoppable villain comes in and beats down the Super Saiyan. Would be pretty weird for him to be weaker than Mecha Freeza don't you think?

At future timeline, Goku was the only one who could fight Freeza, but they didn't have him. So, the Abdroids
beating the others could not tell much about how they compared to another power they couldn't beat without
Goku. One being SSJ doesn't mean he has to be stronger than Freeza. I have One Arm Gohan at Namek
Goku level, 40% Seventeen at Freeza's level and Two Armed Gohan at about 80% Freeza's level.

 

[Pyro]

Trunks basically told Freeza and Cold to attack him simultaneously at full power. It's not his fault they didn't heed his advice. If that isn't the only evidence you need, you're in over your head and should probably eat a Snickers.

Trunks should have no trouble whatsoever with the two. He should be at a lengthy advantage.

 

[Evil Vegeta]

I don't think Freeza's full-power would've made any difference.

 

[p123]

I dunno, I kind of like 2 Armed Gohan at Namek Level, Less than Half 17 stomping him, solidifying the new threat, and Gohan surpassing that level only to find out it was a fraction of their actual power.

Fits very nicely storyline wise.

It's not like 17 tells them he used less than half power and he's like " Oh he's actually stronger than Freeza ".

Just my opinion. The way I see the narrative going.

 

[Animelover5487]

Mecha Freeza = 165,000,000

SSJ Trunks = 250,000,000

Mecha Freeza had doubt in his capability of defeating Goku and thought that King Cold could be of use to him, so that's honestly the highest I would go since Freeza did admit he got stronger and I have a hard time believing that his power up was under a 1.15x increase. That said, yeah Trunks stomps.

 

[withheldforprivacy]

I dunno, I kind of like 2 Armed Gohan at Namek Level, Less than Half 17 stomping him, solidifying the new threat, and Gohan surpassing that level only to find out it was a fraction of their actual power.

Fits very nicely storyline wise.

It's not like 17 tells them he used less than half power and he's like " Oh he's actually stronger than Freeza ".

Just my opinion. The way I see the narrative going.

Okay, i see your logic. I just think my theory makes more sense than Goku having huge gains on Yardrat.

 

[p123]

What's a huge gain? Doubling his power over 2 years isn't too bad... Gains have no logic. The Future Saga seems to force there to be some solid gains imo.

 

[Super Saiyan Overlord1007]

Trunks: 200,000,000
Frieza: 160,000,000

So 80% but I've been thinking of nerfing Frieza to maybe 140,000,000 with Trunks believing he'd still be able to easily beat him if he used his full power.

 

[p123]

I know what you mean. It's tough... The whole Super Saiyan level being a range of power they seem stuck out definitely seems there should be pretty small spacing between Goku on Namek and Vegeta during the Androids Saga. I more or less agree.

 

[Zippy]

From the general message given out in the manga trunks still stomps the gap is 30% now though.

 

[ahill1]

I know what you mean. It's tough... The whole Super Saiyan level being a range of power they seem stuck out definitely seems there should be pretty small spacing between Goku on Namek and Vegeta during the Androids Saga. I more or less agree.

How about it ?

Goku SSJ ( Namek ) 150
Gohan SSJ ( 2 Arms ) 150
Mecha Freeza ( 100% ) 160
Android #17 ( 40% ) 170
Gohan SSJ ( 1 Arm ) 187.5
Trunks SSJ ( Mecha Arc ) 200

Is not that bad, is it ?. Though I remember Victorious making a solid point about Gohan SSJ ( 2 Arms ) being stronger than Mecha Freeza ( 100% ).

 

[p123]

Yea I remember him saying that as well. Vic can be a bit bloat happy at times too so you gotta watch.

I think it comes down to personal preference.

It's generally effected by ones view on Super Saiyan. Does Super Saiyan become a general slow down of power. Or can they still progress normally. They don't really give that feeling that they are way stronger than they just were but it could be the case.

Freeza's new power is enough to beat Goku and Trunks gives zero fucks about his power. Then Goku is a good deal superior to that. It's a tough call.

 

[xmysticgohanx]

What was Victorious' reason?

 

[p123]

Basically that the entire Androids element should be superior to anything Freeza showed. Which I don't think is absolutely necessary. It just depends on how strongly you are going to hold onto the whole Super Saiyan slowdown kind of mentality.

The only thing is that for nerfers, they end up shooting themselves in the foot.

If you indeed go by the Super Saiyan slowdown logic, which I don't think is bad at all, then you have to remember that Grade 3 Goku > Semi Cell and that Super Saiyan Goku shouldn't be drastically different from the power Vegeta showed...

 

[ahill1]

Basically that the entire Androids element should be superior to anything Freeza showed. Which I don't think is absolutely necessary. It just depends on how strongly you are going to hold onto the whole Super Saiyan slowdown kind of mentality.

The only thing is that for nerfers, they end up shooting themselves in the foot.

If you indeed go by the Super Saiyan slowdown logic, which I don't think is bad at all, then you have to remember that Grade 3 Goku > Semi Cell and that Super Saiyan Goku shouldn't be drastically different from the power Vegeta showed...

But Vegeta SSJ ( Androids arc ) should be massively stronger than Goku SSJ ( Namek )... there's too much of a gap. If Goku ( Namek ) is 150, Vegeta SSJ ( Androids arc ) should be at least 420 according to my numbers. Though this quote goes against this logic :

Vegeta : I'll top myself... Mark my words...!! I'll transcend the Super Saiyan...!!
Trunks : Tr... Transcend... The Super Saiyan ?!

This kinda implies that Super Saiyan was a fixed level than anything. Vegeta implied that surpassing the Super Saiyan is the only way to grow more powerful. Well, why would they think that if Vegeta SSJ ( Androids Arc ) >>>> Goku SSJ ( Namek ) ? It would not be needed surpass the Super Saiyan wall, only increase his base power.

Really a tough question.



Though Trunks implied that the Androids makes him look like straight up garbage, so according to Trunks, Androids >>> himself. Even so, after 3 years, Goku is somehow confident in defeat the androids. Well he would not be confident in take both androids if he was not way stronger than Trunks from 3 years ago.

I really don't know.

 

[p123]

Yes it's a bit of an odd situation ain't it? What's the point of transcending the Super Saiyan if they are getting massive gains? It seems more implied that Super Saiyan brings upon a sort of slowdown in power gain. But compared to what? Meh... It's tough to say.

Is it right for Goku Namek to be like 25% of Vegeta Androids? Or should Super Saiyan power be somewhat close to each other all around.

It is indeed difficult to say. This is where that addition theory kind of makes sense.

 

[Six Trails]

So if Vegeta and Trunks spent the year inside the RoSaT, doing the same exact training, but didn't unlock SSG2 and SSG3, would their Base/Super Saiyan forms would be weaker than they were against 2nd form Cell?

 

[p123]

In terms of the narrative, I think they could improve still of course, but it seems to be more of a marginal thing.

I think regular Super Saiyan may be very similar to MSSJ, in which diminishing returns start kicking in.

For example, all other regular Super Saiyans would be around a certain level of strength imo.

Without the grade forms, they would have never got their Super Saiyan power so strong. Just the way I view the narrative.

 

[Yoshi]

Trunks said he'd one shot Freeza if he went full power. 60%-70% is very reasonable.