Frieza>SSJ Goku>Ultimate Gohan

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Base Goku with a limp dick is stronger than Gohan at this point.
 

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It's more like SS3 Goku >>> SS2 Goku/Vegeta > Ultimate Gohan >>>> SSJ Goku (FP) ~ Freeza > SSJ Goku. Even by Toriyama's memory, anyone can tell how stupid Freeza's placement is though, so the only plausible arguments are that either Freeza wasn't in his prime when he fought Goku or that Beerus seriously overestimated the tyrant.
 

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What is the statement that implies this? Did Beerus mention Freeza in a way that is different from BoG?
 

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He said even Super Saiyan Goku would have a tough time with Freeza.
 

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Pyrus Rex said:
He said even Super Saiyan Goku would have a tough time with Freeza.
I mean, that's not the worst thing ever. Right?

Tough can be a flexible word, especially if used in a casual manner.

Benefit of the doubt?
 

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Not really. When Goku initially went into SSJ, Beerus stated he still didn't think Goku could beat Freeza as he was there. When Goku used his Full power as a SSJ, Beerus went back on his words, but still believed Goku must've had an extremely tough fight.
 

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Captain Cadaver said:
Not really. When Goku initially went into SSJ, Beerus stated he still didn't think Goku could beat Freeza as he was there. When Goku used his Full power as a SSJ, Beerus went back on his words, but still believed Goku must've had an extremely tough fight.
I see.

Present Goku.

I had a brain fart, and thought to myself, sure, SSJ is only a bit above 100% Freeza. It could be classified as a tough battle.

Then I remembered that this should be finger flick territory.

The only logic I can gather is that the gap between Freeza and SSJ Goku (from Super) is so miniscule to Beerus that he consideres them close.
 

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Apparently dragonteam "the reliable source" has Beerus saying something along the lines of
"If this is all you got then beating Frieza might be the best you can do"
 

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It can then as CC, which Freezer decades to be seated, is completely oxidized it says. According to what I'm thinking: Goku SSJ3 (BoG) >>> Gotenks SSJ (BoG)> = Goku / Vegeta SSJ2 (BoG)> Mystic Gohan (BoG / Boo)> Gotenks SSJ3 (Post)> = Buff Boo> Super Boo (FP)> Gotenks SSJ2 (Post) >> Goku / Vegeta SSJ (BoG)> Freezer (At home)> SSJ Goku (BoG Deleted)> Gotenks SSJ (Post) >>>>> Base Gotenks (Post).

  Freezer at FnF, he said his father had told him never will face Bills and Boo, King Cold therefore should know the power that had Buff Boo.
 

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Freeza's power got affected by the Genki-Dama. Fresh Full-Power Freeza could have easily one-shotted SSj Goku. :troll :troll :troll
 

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Fantastische Hure said:
Freeza's power got affected by the Genki-Dama. Fresh Full-Power Freeza could have easily one-shotted SSj Goku. :troll :troll :troll
SSJ was actually a 10x boost, as confirmed by :troll

Freeza was just in really bad shape when he used 100% of his 10% :et
 

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We all agree that the Freeza statement is shit. But how the fuck did you place Ultimate Gohan in that chain? Nothing contradicts him being above SSJ3 Goku. As I see it he doesn't have his ultimate power up in super for now.
 

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Vegeta stated that Goku was the strongest Saiyan, whilst he was the 2nd strongest. Gohan's also shown to have retained his Ultimate form, as shown in the OP.
 

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Another proof that Goku and Vegeta are so strong, it's because after warning Kaiosama on that Bills is completely stronger than any previous rival Goku, still Goku starts fighting in SJS and is surprised unable to if you want I touch it.

  As Frieza, it appears that initially was tremendously powerful, but over decades sitting, lost too much power.

And to this end we ended up with the nonsense of Freezer (Namek)> Saiyajins Base (BOG).
 

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SIAD said:
Another proof that Goku and Vegeta are so strong, it's because after warning Kaiosama on that Bills is completely stronger than any previous rival Goku, still Goku starts fighting in SJS and is surprised unable to if you want I touch it.

  As Frieza, it appears that initially was tremendously powerful, but over decades sitting, lost too much power.

And to this end we ended up with the nonsense of Freezer (Namek)> Saiyajins Base (BOG).
At ssj goku was able to touch all of his foes until beerus, ita still surprising.
 

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Nobody bats an eye in BoG when Gohan goes down for the count.

Vegeta is shocked when he hears Goku went down with "two blows". But not Gohan.

Vegeta also tries to fight Beerus, as does Gotenks, even after Gohan gets his face smashed into Boo.

Even in his Ultimate form, there is no acknowledgement of Gohan being the top dog of the group, battle power wise. None.
 

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