Gap Battle

[GreatSaiyaman123]

That quite depends on how big is True Form Freeza's advantage over everyone. How big you think the gap between 3rd form and 4th form Freeza is?

 

[p123]

It has to be substantial enough for Piccolo and Gohan to offer no help to Vegeta. So Piccolo/Gohan are weaker percentage wise to Freeza than Gohan/Krillen were to 1st Form Freeza.

 

[GreatSaiyaman123]

When it was implied they could be of no help though? I remember Vegeta telling them to stay out of the way because he wanted to take on Freeza alone. This is very telling about the Freeza/Vegeta gap, but not much about the Freeza/Others. We do know Freeza can beat Piccolo, (Enraged?) Gohan and Kuririn without breaking a sweat though.

 

[p123]

He tells them to stay out of the fight because they'd just get in the way.

There's many pieces, you need to piece them together. This telling about Freeza's boost over 3rd Form Freeza. If Final Form Freeza was only marginally over 3rd Form, Piccolo and Gohan would be of some use. Considering they are of no use and considering that Warm Up Goku/Freeza is God-Like to him, it's clear that final transformation is huge.

 

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Vegeta + Friends vs Freeza 1st Form
Vegeta + Friends vs Freeza Final Form


Is the gap bigger the second time around? Can Piccolo and an Enraged Gohan even provide any help to Vegeta? This is if Freeza never increased his speed as well. I think Freeza's power is just too massive at this point.

The first time, Vegeta wanted the others' help. The second time, he told them not to interfrere. Even though one can argue the
second time Vegeta was deluded by the 'I'm the Super Saiyan' bs, i think that, the second time, he was almost equal to Freeza.

 

[p123]

I disagree, the gap between them was as large, if not larger. Vegeta literally looks like he's shitting himself at Freeza's power. The only reason he is able to pull it together is when he convinces himself he is a freaking Super Saiyan. He tells the others to stay out of it because they are useless. They can't help.

Previously they were strong enough to be able to help. Now, not so much. They are a waste of space and will just get in the way. Piccolo and Gohan are completely dwarfed here.

 

[GreatSaiyaman123]

Couldn't the issue with Vegeta's behavior is the idea of Freeza having more in the tank? He thinks he can beat Freeza as he is, but he doesn't now if Freeza has more power than he thinks.

 

[p123]

When Freeza shows he has more in the tank he's completely shocked and tries to suicide kill everyone on the planet. There's no way he expected Freeza to have more.

Why overcomplicate things? Does it mess with your levels or something? It's as clear as day.

 

[GreatSaiyaman123]

Nah, just looking at the issue from all angles. I agree Initial Freeza is a step above Vegeta.

 

[p123]

Indeed he is. Check out my list man, I just finished Dragonball and I am up to the Ginyu Force now. It looks real good man. Check it out.

 

[GreatSaiyaman123]

Funny, i was just checking it before i stopped at the mid to see other threads. Cool to see you managed to fit Part I with the scouters.

 

[p123]

Yep. Just pure luck really. Had no intention of it being like that. Nothing better when it all comes together. I still have to change a couple of scouter numbers to make it fall in line with my overall system, but at least people can connect with a lot of the numbers.