Gap between Super Buu and Gohan Buu

[Natasha Romanoff]

Super Buu = 93.75

SSJ3 Gotenks = 100

Ultimate Gohan = 156.25

Gotenks Buu = 193.75

Gohan Buu = 250

Do you think something like this can work? I'm trying to make it fit SSJ3 Gotenks vs Super Buu as a paralel to SSJ2 Gohan vs Super Perfect Cell and Ultimate Gohan vs Super Buu a paralel to SSJ2 Gohan vs Perfect Cell.

 

[Pakl]

Evil Boo: 100
SSjin 3 Gotenks: 108
Ultimate Gohan: 150
Gotenks-Boo: 208
Gohan-Boo: 250

 

[Hector]

Super Buu- 90
SSJ3 Gotenks- 100
Ultimate Gohan- 120
Buutenks- 190
Buuhan- 210

 

[Goku9001]

The gaps you have are fine, these are mine:

Super Buu: 100
SSJ3 Gotenks : 100
Ultimate Gohan: 160
Buutenks: 200

 

[FeatsofPower]

Super Buu 200
Gotenks 200
Buff Buu 250
Gohan 300
Buutenks 400
Gokan 450
Buuhan 500
Vegetto 500

 

[Classic Adamas]

Super Buu 200
Gotenks 200
Buff Buu 250
Gohan 300
Buutenks 400
Gokan 450
Buuhan 500
Vegetto 500

Why Gokan<Vegetto?

 

[Warmmedown]

Gotta show your working. How do I know you didn't just copy off Jimmy? Post your notepad.

 

[Natasha Romanoff]

Super Buu 200
Gotenks 200
Buff Buu 250
Gohan 300
Buutenks 400
Gokan 450
Buuhan 500
Vegetto 500

This is manga only.

 

[FeatsofPower]

This is manga only.

Yes, those are manga only numbers.

Vegetto > Gokan, the fusion of two of the three masters in this world and the next plus a rivals boost is definitely what's strongest.

 

[FeatsofPower]

Why Gokan<Vegetto?

Vegetto is the strongest fusion. Elder Kai implies this and a lot of the fandom agrees with it.

Most likely the fusion between Goku and Gohan is based on their base powers. I'd assume it's really Post Zeta Sword Gohan and Goku fusing, granting them a base power above even Buutenks.

Considering that Post Zeta Gohan isn't terribly ahead of Goku, he's probably only twice as powerful, then Vegeta's rivals boost surpassing the added boost of Gohan's power doesn't seem far-fetched.

Vegetto > Gokan seems to be the best logic and Vegetto being the strongest possible fusion seems to fit with Toriyama's overall narrative here so I'm abiding by that.

 

[Classic Adamas]

Your post leads me to believe there's ambiguity and no definitive answer.

 

[FeatsofPower]

Your post leads me to believe there's ambiguity and no definitive answer.

Exactly. The Vegetto vs Gokan thing has always been up for debate. It's been a more or less 50/50 issue. Pick a side and let it ride.

 

[Classic Adamas]

For me it seems more logical to assume that Gokan would be stronger since Gohan >>> Vegeta, but I have no idea how strong the rival boost is meant to be.

 

[FeatsofPower]

For me it seems more logical to assume that Gokan would be stronger since Gohan >>> Vegeta, but I have no idea how strong the rival boost is meant to be.

Well that's why I brought up that if we are talking about Post Zeta Gohan, this idea of the rivals boost slinging Vegetto forward just a bit doesn't seem like a hard sell.


Vegeta 50
Goku 50
Gohan 100


Gokan 4,500
Vegetto 5,000


Doesn't seem like all that big of a deal. Remember, to utilize the Ultimate power, he did more of a power up, Super Saiyan esque style to unlock it. There seems to be a difference between his regular Base state and his Ultimate power, which was further showcased in Dragonball Super: Super Hero.

 

[Classic Adamas]

Well that's why I brought up that if we are talking about Post Zeta Gohan, this idea of the rivals boost slinging Vegetto forward just a bit doesn't seem like a hard sell.


Vegeta 50
Goku 50
Gohan 100


Gokan 4,500
Vegetto 5,000


Doesn't seem like all that big of a deal. Remember, to utilize the Ultimate power, he did more of a power up, Super Saiyan esque style to unlock it. There seems to be a difference between his regular Base state and his Ultimate power, which was further showcased in Dragonball Super: Super Hero.

Do you think Gokan could defeat a hypothetical Boogeta?

 

[FeatsofPower]

Do you think Gokan could defeat a hypothetical Boogeta?

I'm not entirely sure as of now. It might be best to keep Gogeta = Vegetto with the newer logic present nowadays.

Elder Kai's language seems to imply Potara would be more effective power wise, not just time wise, but overall, it's tough.

I'd have to think if Potara is better, it incorporates the additional power that Metamoran does not.

But even then, it probably shouldn't be anything to excessive I'd say.

Perhaps Gogeta is a 400 on this list opposed to a 500 for Vegetto.


Vegetto 500
Gokan 450
Gogeta 400

Perhaps that's the best for now I'd say.

 

[Natasha Romanoff]

Vegetto > Gokan, the fusion of two of the three masters in this world and the next plus a rivals boost is definitely what's strongest.

Gokhan is said to be plenty for Gotenks Buu in base while Vegetto only has the statement of being the strongest in SSJ.

 

[FeatsofPower]

Gokhan is said to be plenty for Gotenks Buu in base while Vegetto only has the statement of being the strongest in SSJ.

Base Vegetto isn’t even there for more than second, how do you know the quote is form specific

 

[Natasha Romanoff]

Base Vegetto isn’t even there for more than second, how do you know the quote is form specific

The statement is made when SSJ Vegetto is showing strength that overwhelms Buu.

 

[FeatsofPower]

The statement is made when SSJ Vegetto is showing strength that overwhelms Buu.

So Buuhan > Base Gokan?