Gogeta/Vegetto gap

[Captain Cadaver]

One of the few classic debates that can never be truly settled.

What's your take on how the gap between the two is? On one hand, you have Gohan Boo believing a fusion between Vegeta and Goku wouldn't beat him, as well as Goku stating that Metamoran fusion wouldn't be enough in the anime. On the other, Elder Kaioshin suggested that Goku/Vegeta's fused power and rival boost were more of a factor on Vegetto's power than the Potara, implying the gap between he and Gogeta isn't anything overly large.

Also, how large of a buff do you believe the rival boost provides? Vegetto seemed to be surprised at how far above Boo his SSJ form was and even thought Boo wasn't taking things seriously.

 

[Papasmurf]

The expert on both fusions says the Potara's power is great enough to do shit in base that Goku thought SSJ would be required for even after hearing that it's more effective than the dance, which is too solid to undermine as a "small diff" because of the later statement of masters producing powerful fusions imo.

The points have been argued to death and back, so I just will say I have SSJ Vegetto >> SSJ2 Gogeta > SSJ3 Gotenks >> SSJ Gogeta, generally. While you could interpret Gogeta > Super Boo as referring to SSJ3 Gogeta, there's a possibility SSJ3 would be hard to access immediately upon fusing considering Gotenks couldn't even go SSJ at first, so SSJ2 Gogeta > Super Boo is safe to argue imo.

The rivalry boost is anyone's guess, but considering he just added that as an additional reason Vegetto was so strong I think it's retarded to use it as proof of Vegetto > Gokhan or some gay shit.

 

[Let's Go Fearless!]

The gap betwen these warriors doesn't have to be over 2x like this PL purists claim them to be. If SSjin Gokhan [FD] is strong enough to take out Buutenks then so is SSjin Gogeta as well. A lot of HF's claimed that the gap between kids and their dads should be the same as fusion which is ridiculous itself and its baseless since the fusion depends on individuals and their full power and that includes their transformations.

 

[SIAD]

712/5000
I as I have the SSJs multiplier for very nerfed fusions. I also have Rou Kaioshin talking about the rival impulse, at the time Vegetto was SSJ. It makes me assume that this "rival impulse", makes its multiplier not nerfed.

Personally I think Vegetto Base (Boo) = Gogeta SSJ3 (Boo), as long as the "rival impulse" is only for Vegetto.

Here's an example:

Gogeta Base (With Rival Impulse) = 1
SSJ = 50
SSJ2 = 200
SSJ3 = 800

Base Gogeta (No Rival Impulse) = 1
SSJ = 2.5
SSJ2 = 5
SSJ3 = 10

Vegetto = 10
SSJ = 500
SSJ2 = 2,000
SSJ3 = 8,000

Also with this, I can easily have: Vegetto SSJ3 (Boo)> = Goku SSJ4 (Initial) and SBV1 >>> Vegetto SSJ (Boo)> = Baby Vegeta Base.

 

[Let's Go Fearless!]

712/5000
I as I have the SSJs multiplier for very nerfed fusions. I also have Rou Kaioshin talking about the rival impulse, at the time Vegetto was SSJ. It makes me assume that this "rival impulse", makes its multiplier not nerfed.

Personally I think Vegetto Base (Boo) = Gogeta SSJ3 (Boo), as long as the "rival impulse" is only for Vegetto.

Here's an example:

Gogeta Base (With Rival Impulse) = 1
SSJ = 50
SSJ2 = 200
SSJ3 = 800

Base Gogeta (No Rival Impulse) = 1
SSJ = 2.5
SSJ2 = 5
SSJ3 = 10

Vegetto = 10
SSJ = 500
SSJ2 = 2,000
SSJ3 = 8,000

Also with this, I can easily have: Vegetto SSJ3 (Boo)> = Goku SSJ4 (Initial) and SBV1 >>> Vegetto SSJ (Boo)> = Baby Vegeta Base.

That's YUGE!!!!

 

[supersaiyangodgogeta]

They're equal in strength according to official word.
Boo was cocky. He didn't think that Vegito could beat him so his opinion is irrelevant and he doesn't have any way to tell how strong a Goku/Vegeta fusion would be. Goku never said anything about the Dance not being enough for Boo, so I don't know where that came from.

The arguments for Boo>Gogeta lacks as much sense as the arguments for SSJ Gotenks>Fat Boo and SSJ3 Goku. Gogeta would need to be less than twice as strong as Goku to be as pathetically weak as people claim. He would demolish any form of Boo with SSJ just like his Potara counterpart.

 

[Let's Go Fearless!]

They're equal in strength according to official word.

Source?

 

[supersaiyangodgogeta]

They're equal in strength according to official word.

Source?

1. Toriyama stated that he only created Vegito due to Gogeta being used for M12, so they would've fulfilled the same exact role.

2. Shueisha published this

Spoiler

夢の対決!!
ゴジータVSベジット!!どちらが宇宙最強!?
最強のライバル同士が心をひとつにして合体するF（フュージョン）の方がバランスもよく、パワーを最大限まで引き出せる!!　従って30分内の短期決戦ならゴジータが、長期戦ならベジットが勝つハズ!!
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Dream matchup!!
Gogeta vs. Vegetto!! Which one is the strongest in the universe?!
Fusion [i.e., with the Fusion dance], where the mightiest rivals merge with their hearts as one, is better balanced and can draw out their power to the greatest extent!! Therefore, in a short battle of less than 30 minutes, Gogeta should win, while in a longer fight, Vegetto should!!

http://www.kanzenshuu.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=8&t=15533&start=1840#p1129625

 

[Let's Go Fearless!]

They're equal in strength according to official word.

Source?

1. Toriyama stated that he only created Vegito due to Gogeta being used for M12, so they would've fulfilled the same exact role.

2. Shueisha published this

Spoiler

夢の対決!!
ゴジータVSベジット!!どちらが宇宙最強!?
最強のライバル同士が心をひとつにして合体するF（フュージョン）の方がバランスもよく、パワーを最大限まで引き出せる!!　従って30分内の短期決戦ならゴジータが、長期戦ならベジットが勝つハズ!!
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Dream matchup!!
Gogeta vs. Vegetto!! Which one is the strongest in the universe?!
Fusion [i.e., with the Fusion dance], where the mightiest rivals merge with their hearts as one, is better balanced and can draw out their power to the greatest extent!! Therefore, in a short battle of less than 30 minutes, Gogeta should win, while in a longer fight, Vegetto should!!

http://www.kanzenshuu.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=8&t=15533&start=1840#p1129625

1. Toriyama created Vegito and made him a stronger fusion.
2. Where did it said that both fusions are equal?

 

[supersaiyangodgogeta]

1. Toriyama didn't make Vegito stronger.

2. I guess you didn't read the scan I posted because it says so right here

Spoiler

Fusion [i.e., with the Fusion dance], where the mightiest rivals merge with their hearts as one, is better balanced and can draw out their power to the greatest extent!! Therefore, in a short battle of less than 30 minutes, Gogeta should win, while in a longer fight, Vegetto should!!

 

[KyuubiAhri]

1. Toriyama didn't make Vegito stronger.

2. I guess you didn't read the scan I posted because it says so right here

Spoiler

Fusion [i.e., with the Fusion dance], where the mightiest rivals merge with their hearts as one, is better balanced and can draw out their power to the greatest extent!! Therefore, in a short battle of less than 30 minutes, Gogeta should win, while in a longer fight, Vegetto should!!

so you are basically telling me that SSj gogeta is like 7x (minimum)stronger than gotenks.A freaking SSj compared to Ssj3

Since i have SSj3 gotenks>>>Ssj gogeta i dont buy your theory

 

[Let's Go Fearless!]

1. Toriyama didn't make Vegito stronger.

2. I guess you didn't read the scan I posted because it says so right here

Spoiler

Fusion [i.e., with the Fusion dance], where the mightiest rivals merge with their hearts as one, is better balanced and can draw out their power to the greatest extent!! Therefore, in a short battle of less than 30 minutes, Gogeta should win, while in a longer fight, Vegetto should!!

The potara was stated to have a greater effect to the fusion from the MANGA by

Chapter: 501 (DBZ 307), P6.2-6
Context: Elder Kaioshin gives the Potara to Goku
Elder Kaioshin: “Here! Put this Potara on your left ear! [ ] Put the other one on Gohan’s ear. Just by doing that, you two will be able to merge together! Like with Fusion.”
Goku: “Huh! Re-really!?”
Elder Kaioshin: “Of course. And what’s more, the effect is greater than with Fusion!This has been the trump card treasure of the Kaioshins since long ago.”

 

[supersaiyangodgogeta]

so you are basically telling me that SSj gogeta is like 7x (minimum)stronger than gotenks.A freaking SSj compared to Ssj3

Since i have SSj3 gotenks>>>Ssj gogeta i dont buy your theory

Gogeta is way more than 7x stronger than Gotenks. There is no comparison between SSJ Gogeta and SSJ3 Gotenks in power. Gogeta would one shot him.

The potara was stated to have a greater effect to the fusion from the MANGA by

By "greater effect", he could be talking about the time limit since he says that before he says anything about the time limit.

Even disregarding that, I already know that the Potara itself in fact gives a higher multiplier than Fusion since it's stated in the Daizenshuu. The Dance is stated to be better balanced method though as stated in the scan I posted, so the resulting warriors wouldn't really differ. It's just 2 different methods to the same end result.

 

[KyuubiAhri]

Ssj gogeta more than 7x ssj3 gotenks

So basically ssj goku is more than 7x ssj3 goten.Nice.Just....bullcrap

 

[Cell]

Fusion [i.e., with the Fusion dance], where the mightiest rivals merge with their hearts as one, is better balanced and can draw out their power to the greatest extent!! Therefore, in a short battle of less than 30 minutes, Gogeta should win, while in a longer fight, Vegetto should!!

This doesn't support Gogeta = Vegetto. It clearly states Gogeta > Vegetto... and that Vegetto's only chance is to prolong the fight until the fusion dispels. :?

 

[Let's Go Fearless!]

I just lost there.

 

[Pyro]

SSj3 Vegetto > SSj2 Vegetto > SSj3 Gogeta > SSj Vegetto >>> Majin Boo (Gohan) > SSj2 Gogeta > Majin Boo (Gotenks) >>> SSj Gogeta > SSj3 Gotenks

I like Kenshi's usage of Super Saiyan 2 for Gogeta. Makes sense to me.

No guidebook or random scan mumbo jumbo here. Might as well use Gogeta's 2,500,000,000 level while we're at it.

 

[KyuubiAhri]

I think this is actually friezasmite

 

[supersaiyangodgogeta]

SSJ Gogeta is stated to be stronger than everyone on that list bar Vegito, so nah. Not seeing how power levels for Budokai 3 are relevant.

SSJ Gogeta>>>>>>>Boo w/Gohan absorbed>Boo w/Gotenks absorbed>>>Super Boo=SSJ3 Gotenks. That's where Gogeta is on the official level. Anything else is irrelevant.

 

[Future Warrior]

Even if we assume Gogeta wouldn't be able to access Super Saiyan 3 the first time fusing, Boo still thought their fusion wouldn't hold a candle to him with knowledge of Goku having Super Saiyan 3.