Gohan (Enraged vs 2nd form Freeza) vs Gohan (2nd form Freeza Zenkai)

[GSM123]

People generally put them as equals, or with Zenkai Gohan a bit stronger. But why? What Zenkai Gohan has to prove his worth?

 

[withheldforprivacy]

Vegeta stated that Zenkai Gohan>Enraged Gohan.

 

[GSM123]

When? Sure he seemed confident, but couldn't he be counting with Gohan's rage?

 

[ahill1]

Vegeta at least considered that luck was turning their way, even if just a little bit, whereas he saw how enraged Gohan's attacks hadn't an effect on suppressed 2nd form Freeza.

Chapter: 299 (DBZ 105), P13.1
Context: after Gohan is healed by Dende
Vegeta: “Heh…Just as you’d expect of someone with Saiyan blood, after reviving his battle power has greatly risen…A-alright! Luck is turning our way just a little bit…”

I think this implies post Zenkai Gohan was at least on enraged Gohan's level.

 

[GSM123]

Again, couldn't he be expecting a rage boost from Gohan? Sure it's not going to be as savage as after Freeza almost killed Kuririn, but i'd be a good boost considering Gohan is way stronger than before.

 

[withheldforprivacy]

Vegeta could have said something like ''we have a chance if the brat gets mad again''. The way he worded his
statement, i think they had a chance even with Gohan as he was.

 

[GSM123]

True. And there was nothing to make Gohan go berserk again, considering Kuririn and Dende were pretty safe. I still think they were rellying on a small rage boost though, Zenkai Gohan ~ Powered up Freeza seems too haxxed.

 

[ahill1]

Vegeta stated the luck was turning to their side right after Gohan showed his Zenkai powers, without being under anger influence. I think the emphasis is more on Gohan's normal powers there.

 

[Flame]

I'd give it to Zenkai Gohan, about the same power but more control.

 

[withheldforprivacy]

True. And there was nothing to make Gohan go berserk again, considering Kuririn and Dende were pretty safe. I still think they were rellying on a small rage boost though, Zenkai Gohan ~ Powered up Freeza seems too haxxed.

Initial Freeza- 1.060.000
Rage Gohan- 1.000.000
Zenkai Gohan- 1.100.000
Powered Up Freeza- 1.200.000

 

[GSM123]

@Withheld i'd say

Initial Freeza: 1,060
Enraged Gohan: 800-900
Powered up Freeza: 1,300
Zenkai Gohan: 1,200
Weighted Piccolo: 1,350

 

[Void]

Enraged Gohan wins.

 

[Captain Cadaver]

I doubt Vegeta would bother saying things seemed more hopeful if Gohan wasn't at least stronger than the version of himself who's head almost got crushed by Powered up 2nd form Freeza. Zenkai Gohan wins with high or high mid-diff.

 

[Spiral-Force]

Agreed with the above. Even if we equalise their battle powers, Zenkai Gohan should still take the win since Enraged Gohan's anger boost would go *poof* after some time.

 

[ahill1]

Agreed with the above. Even if we equalise their battle powers, Zenkai Gohan should still take the win since Enraged Gohan's anger boost would go *poof* after some time.

But was Gohan still his enraged self when Freeza was wrecking his head? Quite frankly he could have gone back to his pre Kuririn-rage mode.

 

[Pakl]

Gohan was not enraged when Freeza beat him and he seemed tired... Gohan is overrated... If he was really so strong he would be close to Freeza but he was not... The anime makes it clear too.. Vegeta just said the luck is back because they were all fine and since Gohan got stronger so thats surely a little bit better.. Plus he can get enraged... Vegeta didnt seem to think Gohan surpassed him... I would say he equals him at most

 

[Spiral-Force]

But was Gohan still his enraged self when Freeza was wrecking his head? Quite frankly he could have gone back to his pre Kuririn-rage mode.

What makes you think he might have? Gohan was completely defenceless when Frieza had his foot on Gohan's head.

 

[ahill1]

But was Gohan still his enraged self when Freeza was wrecking his head? Quite frankly he could have gone back to his pre Kuririn-rage mode.

What makes you think he might have? Gohan was completely defenceless when Frieza had his foot on Gohan's head.

Well, if Gohan didn't drop in power then Freeza's power up in his 2nd form should have been really big, no? He was kicking the ass of someone who could press him back before.

Not that this is wrong, but Gohan seemed to be kind of exhausted after launching those attacks on Freeza:
http://mangaseeonline.us/read-online/Dragon-Ball-chapter-103-index-2-page-11.html

Not to mention that Gohan's rage boosts are generally fast increases of power, although yeah, it seemed to last for a good while against Vegeta.

EDIT: By wrecking his head I meant more throughout the 2nd round against Freeza. When Freeza decided to increase his BP and battle Gohan.

 

[Spiral-Force]

So overall, you think Gohan's anger boost may have stayed up until Frieza had him helpless on the ground, or that he may have gone through another anger boost whilst fighting Frieza after the latter recovered from his onslaught?

 

[GSM123]

Gohan was not enraged when Freeza beat him and he seemed tired... Gohan is overrated... If he was really so strong he would be close to Freeza but he was not... The anime makes it clear too.. Vegeta just said the luck is back because they were all fine and since Gohan got stronger so thats surely a little bit better.. Plus he can get enraged... Vegeta didnt seem to think Gohan surpassed him... I would say he equals him at most

Gohan was about to fight Freeza while Vegeta was only on the backseats praising his power, though.

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