Goku Black (Manga)

[Power Level Guy]

Ok, I'm finally all in on scaling Super.

What is going on here? SSJ2 Vegeta > SSJ Black > Base Black > SSJ3 Goku

What in the world kind of chain is this? And then later, SSJ Black equals SSJB Vegeta, even after a sensu bean?

Does Black get different transformations boosts then the others?

There's no way Base Vegeta (Post Rosat) > SSJ3 Goku is going to fly. What have you guys come up with over the years how to explain this?

 

[SSJ2]

I don't remember the explanations, but I recall we debated this extensively several years back. There was no way anyone could explain it adequately.

This is what I came up with back then: https://dbzeta.net/threads/some-questions-about-the-trunks-arc.20907/#post-467507

 

[Power Level Guy]

I don't remember the explanations, but I recall we debated this extensively several years back. There was no way anyone could explain it adequately.

This is what I came up with back then: https://dbzeta.net/threads/some-questions-about-the-trunks-arc.20907/#post-467507

Thanks, this will get me caught up. Super is an entirely different animal.

 

[SSJ2]

Yeah I kind of want to give it a go again just to see if it's possible to make sense of any of it.

 

[Power Level Guy]

Yeah I kind of want to give it a go again just to see if it's possible to make sense of any of it.

With me on board now, we'll definitely figure it out. If we combine our efforts, there is no Dragon Ball material we cannot make sense of. If we can't do it, literally no one can.

But I do think I got the gist of it already.

1st Step is clarifying that Goku Black's transformations are not like Vegeta and Goku's. He is most likely using some sort of pseudo transformation, it's not the full thing.

Next is giving credit to the mutated SSJ2 of Vegeta's which should be finger flick level over Goku.

And then I have to figure out if the sensu somehow didn't restore Blue to full capacity.

The most important thing here is to realize that evidence that definitively proves that Black's transformations are not the same as the others. Which I think will be quite easy to do. From there on, it'll be easy street.