Goku SSJ3 (end of Z) vs base Vegetto (Boo saga)

[ahill1]

Time to speculate guys

Who wins?

 

[Future Warrior]

Goku gets raped.

 

[Fantastische Hure]

Goku gets you-know-what slapped.

 

[GreatSaiyaman123]

SSJ3 Goku can't even beat Regular Super Buu. He get's raped.

 

[ahill1]

I think having SSJ Vegetto at like 2x stronger than Boohan is tangible with their fight. Then applying the 50x SSJ multiplier I'd have Vegetto at like slightly stronger than SSJ Gotenks post RoSaT. End of Z base Goku could fare fairly well against enraged Oob, who is in all likelihood at Kid Boo's level... since I generally don't see base Gotenks post RoSaT multifold SSJ3 Goku/Kid Boo, then SSJ3 Goku end of Z ends up stronger than SSJ2 Gotenks, although still weaker than this latter's SSJ3. Said that, end of Z SSJ3 Goku wins without problems imo. From my current power level list:

Base Goku (end of Z) 640,000,000,000
Enraged Oob/Kid Boo/SSJ3 Goku 700,000,000,000
Base Gotenks (post RoSaT) 2,000,000,000,000
SSJ Gotenks 100,000,000,000,000
SSJ2 Gotenks 300,000,000,000,000
SSJ3 Gotenks 1,200,000,000,000,000
Boohan 3,000,000,000,000,000

Base Vegetto 120,000,000,000,000
~SSJ 6,000,000,000,000,000

Goku SSJ3 (end of Z) 384,000,000,000,000

 

[GreatSaiyaman123]

@Ahill, how do you explain SSjin Gotenks being SSjin 3 tier while Base Gotenks is stronger than Majin Vegeta? A 50x multiplier can't fit on these situations.

 

[ahill1]

Do you mean base Gotenks pre RoSaT? I don't think he needs to be above Majin Vegeta. Piccolo immeadiately knew Gotenks was no match for fat Boo, and Kuririn's confidence seemed to be based upon Gotenks' own sureness of his power, not on how strong Gotenks actually was. So I think base Gotenks pre needs to just be above Piccolo and them SSJ kids' power, but nothing like Majin Vegeta SSJ2 or anything like that.

 

[Let's Go Fearless!]

Troll thread, Base Goku is enough.

 

[SSJ2]

Using the 50x here is the sign of a noob.

 

[GreatSaiyaman123]

But Ahill, Kuririn saw Vegeta fight and death against Buu, if Gotenks was weaker than him, they would know he was trash since the begining.

And you're using the 50/2/4 multipers set, right? How can Base Gotenks in this scenario be >> The kids? The SSjin Kids are on the same realm of the Adult SSjins, so SSjin 3 Goku is about 10-15x stronger than them, and this carries to put SSjin Gotenks not even 20x the SSjin kids.

 

[ahill1]

But Ahill, Kuririn saw Vegeta fight and death against Buu, if Gotenks was weaker than him, they would know he was trash since the begining.

Then Kuririn would have mentioned Gotenks' power instead, rather than just relying on his confidence. Kuririn also sensed Goku SSJ3 and knew Fat Boo could do fairly well against him... hell, for all Kuririn knew, Goku SSJ3 just hadn't the power to deal with fat Boo (Piccolo was the only one who realized something was up)... so if Gotenks was way weaker than Goku SSJ3 he should also know he was trash since the beginning. Piccolo knew he was trash, so saying Gotenks base should be > Majin Vegeta in order for Kuririn to feel confidence doesn't mean much when Gotenks base should be in the realm of SSJ3 for this confidence to make sense. We know why each of them was confident: Gotenks was being a cocky mofo and Kuririn was placing his confidence on this latter's confidence.


Maybe you could just give SSJ2 and 3 a higher multiplier, making it possible for base to be > SSJ kids and yet not too far above Goku SSJ3. Or Gotenks SSJ was really that above Goku SSJ3

 

[Jeff Styles]

Base Gotenks (post) > Base Goku (EoZ)
Ultimate Gohan > Base Vegetto > SSJ3 Gotenks
Imo. Goku gets beaten.

 

[KyuubiAhri]

LIsten,And listen carefully.Because my opinions is all that you need.Ssj3 goku TrollOverGigaMEgaHidraSIdraHadraMagraSTOMPS

 

[GreatSaiyaman123]

LIsten,And listen carefully.Because my opinions is all that you need.Ssj3 goku TrollOverGigaMEgaHidraSIdraHadraMagraSTOMPS

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But Ahill, Kuririn saw Vegeta fight and death against Buu, if Gotenks was weaker than him, they would know he was trash since the begining.

Then Kuririn would have mentioned Gotenks' power instead, rather than just relying on his confidence. Kuririn also sensed Goku SSJ3 and knew Fat Boo could do fairly well against him... hell, for all Kuririn knew, Goku SSJ3 just hadn't the power to deal with fat Boo (Piccolo was the only one who realized something was up)... so if Gotenks was way weaker than Goku SSJ3 he should also know he was trash since the beginning. Piccolo knew he was trash, so saying Gotenks base should be > Majin Vegeta in order for Kuririn to feel confidence doesn't mean much when Gotenks base should be in the realm of SSJ3 for this confidence to make sense. We know why each of them was confident: Gotenks was being a cocky mofo and Kuririn was placing his confidence on this latter's confidence.


Maybe you could just give SSJ2 and 3 a higher multiplier, making it possible for base to be > SSJ kids and yet not too far above Goku SSJ3. Or Gotenks SSJ was really that above Goku SSJ3

But Goku told only to Piccolo that he couldn't beat Fat Buu. Yeah, both him and Yamcha were rellying on his confidence, but if he was a trash in power (FPSSJ tier or lower) they wouldn't take him serious. There is also his fight with Buu, where he survived while Vegeta almost died when Buu traped him on his skin.

So his SSJ multiplier is lower but his SSJ2/3 multiplier is higher in order to make the same overall multiplier? Meh, this doesn't seem good. And if his SSJ was really much above SSJ3 Goku, Goku and the others on the Other World would make a big deal about his power. Btw, how strong you have Base Gotenks now?

 

[Evil Vegeta]

Krillin seemed like a shitty source for everything in the Boo saga.

He didn't sense the transformation to Super Boo, questioned why Piccolo wasn't going to allow Gotenks to fight Super Boo right from the jump, and obviously the Base Gotenks stuff already mentioned. It seemed like he was just unaware of things in general.

 

[ahill1]

But Goku told only to Piccolo that he couldn't beat Fat Buu.

Because Piccolo was the only one who thought something was up. He thought Goku SSJ3 should be able to defeat fat Boo had he gone all out and he pressed Goku to the point this latter basically admitted he chose not to defeat Boo due to wanting to leave the role to the new generation. Piccolo, by this point, passed to be the only one who knew Goku's true motive in not continuing to fight fat Boo. Everyone should be under the impression that Goku opted to not continue fighting because he simply couldn't defeat Boo and Gotenks was the best option. Green man is the only one who learned Goku's true motive.

Yeah, both him and Yamcha were rellying on his confidence, but if he was a trash in power (FPSSJ tier or lower) they wouldn't take him serious. There is also his fight with Buu, where he survived while Vegeta almost died when Buu traped him on his skin.

They shouldn't take him seriously if he were way lower than SSJ3 Goku, either. Only SSJ3 can stand up to fat Boo, so why would be they confident if he is above Majin Vegeta but still way lower than fat Boo's true capability? Piccolo knew very well Gotenks shouldn't be confident and that he couldn't match up to Boo, so should Kuririn and Yamcha if they were relying purely on chi sensing. You must know that whether Gotenks was at SSJ Goku's level or above Majin Vegeta but still way below fat Boo shown power makes him trash either way. Kuririn knew very well Majin Vegeta couldn't stand up to fat Boo and he heard Piccolo saying that even if 3 SSJ2 guys went at fat Boo at the same time they would still be no match for him.

So his SSJ multiplier is lower but his SSJ2/3 multiplier is higher in order to make the same overall multiplier?

The SSJ being 50x base is more set in stone than SSJ2 being 100x or SSJ3 being 400x, though. We know based on the fight against Freeza that SSJ was way stronger than a Kaioken x20, making a 50x multiplier for SSJ pretty accetable. There's still some margin to change the SSJ2 and SSJ3's multiplier based on how you interpret determined power statements, so changing them to keep SSJ at 50x makes sense imo. Not to mention Goku never making use of the Kaioken x20 again, which pretty much turned obsolete after the SSJ, implying the SSJ's power is still far above what his maximum Kaioken could give him even after Freeza's saga.

Btw, how strong you have Base Gotenks now?

At SSJ Goku (Boo saga) seems good to me.

 

[Six Trails]

I think this is an interesting battle. These are both characters that I don't have solid opinions on but like to speculate about. If I had to give an answer I'd probably give the fight to Goku since I like to have Base Vegetto pretty weak nowadays (like weaker than SS2 Gotenks weak).

 

[Let's Go Fearless!]

Trying to make sense ''Base Gotenks Pre''.

 

[SSJ2]

I think this is an interesting battle. These are both characters that I don't have solid opinions on but like to speculate about. If I had to give an answer I'd probably give the fight to Goku since I like to have Base Vegetto pretty weak nowadays (like weaker than SS2 Gotenks weak).

No, you have gone to the dark side.

 

[ahill1]

You aren't as cunning as I thought you were, Guts.