Goku SSJB (Peak Arc Zamasu) vs Goku SSJB (Fill vs. Hit) vs Goku SSJB (Start of Tournament of Power)?

[SIAD]

Goku SSJB (Peak Arc Zamasu) vs Goku SSJB (Fill vs. Hit) vs Goku SSJB (Start of Tournament of Power)?

Order from most powerful to least powerful.

 

[GreatSaiyaman123]

Start of ToP > Vs Hit > or = Post Zamasu duh

 

[SIAD]

Start of ToP > Vs Hit > or = Post Zamasu duh

The big problem I have with that is that after Goku's fight against Hit, Goku gets rusty and doesn't train until the start of ToP.

It shouldn't be something like:

Goku SSJB (Fill vs. Hit) >= Goku SSJB (Start ToP) = Goku SSJB (Peak Arc Zamasu)?

 

[GreatSaiyaman123]

The big problem I have with that is that after Goku's fight against Hit, Goku gets rusty and doesn't train until the start of ToP.

It shouldn't be something like:

Goku SSJB (Fill vs. Hit) >= Goku SSJB (Start ToP) = Goku SSJB (Peak Arc Zamasu)?

Yeah it doesn’t make sense. He seems stronger than Hit as a SSJG when they fight Dyspo though. I think he trained a lot between episodes 72 and 75 and then slacked off because Vegeta had to take care of pregant Bulma and he couldn’t go to Beerus’ planet anymore. Keep in mind there’s several months between the end of the Black Saga and the ToP.

 

[SIAD]

Yeah it doesn’t make sense. He seems stronger than Hit as a SSJG when they fight Dyspo though. I think he trained a lot between episodes 72 and 75 and then slacked off because Vegeta had to take care of pregant Bulma and he couldn’t go to Beerus’ planet anymore. Keep in mind SSJB several months between the end of the Black Saga and the ToP.

Goku SSJG (Start of ToP) > Hit (ToP) > Hit (Fill) > Goku (Peak Arc Zamasu) > Goku SSJB Kaioken x10 (U6)?

 

[GreatSaiyaman123]

Goku SSJG (Start of ToP) > Hit (ToP) > Hit (Fill) > Goku (Peak Arc Zamasu) > Goku SSJB Kaioken x10 (U6)?

I would say SSJG Goku (Start of ToP) >=< Hit (Start of ToP). Just compare their perfomances in episode 104:

Hit tries to use time skip, but Dyspo hears the muscle flex Hit does when he’s about to use it and attacks him every time. Hit can’t even see Dyspo, and Dyspo’s blows are hard enough to have Hit in serious pain and struggling to get up, but not even multiple blows KO him. Hit eventually just lets Dyspo attack him so he can improve, and he slowly gets up to Dyspo’s level and beyond.

Kunshi comes to help Dyspo, and SSJG Goku joins to help Hit. SSJG Goku also gets smacked around and forces Goku to use Blue in bursts to attack. Goku says he managed to transform because it’s easy to predict when Dyspo is going to attack him, though he needs Blue to react. SSJB is also suggested to be stronger than Improved Hit since the latter was careful of Kunshi’s threads while SSJB Goku goes right through them.

Hit later improves again to fight Jiren and seems to he near 1st UI Sign Goku, but is still weaker. I’d say the gap is similar to Goku vs Cell: A bit weaker and mostly on the defensive, but could still fight back a bit.

Several episodes later we have Dyspo vs Freeza. Freeza gets dragged around, but like Goku he says Dyspo’s movement are easy to predict and they fight evenly until Dyspo uses more speed

So in terms of feats:
Freeza (Fought evenly against Dyspo) > SSJG Goku (Could see Dyspo) > Hit (Stomped by Dyspo

 

[GreatSaiyaman123]

I would say SSJG Goku (Start of ToP) >=< Hit (Start of ToP). Just compare their perfomances in episode 104:

Hit tries to use time skip, but Dyspo hears the muscle flex Hit does when he’s about to use it and attacks him every time. Hit can’t even see Dyspo, and Dyspo’s blows are hard enough to have Hit in serious pain and struggling to get up, but not even multiple blows KO him. Hit eventually just lets Dyspo attack him so he can improve, and he slowly gets up to Dyspo’s level and beyond.

Kunshi comes to help Dyspo, and SSJG Goku joins to help Hit. SSJG Goku also gets smacked around and forces Goku to use Blue in bursts to attack. Goku says he managed to transform because it’s easy to predict when Dyspo is going to attack him, though he needs Blue to react. SSJB is also suggested to be stronger than Improved Hit since the latter was careful of Kunshi’s threads while SSJB Goku goes right through them.

Hit later improves again to fight Jiren and seems to he near 1st UI Sign Goku, but is still weaker. I’d say the gap is similar to Goku vs Cell: A bit weaker and mostly on the defensive, but could still fight back a bit.

Several episodes later we have Dyspo vs Freeza. Freeza gets dragged around, but like Goku he says Dyspo’s movement are easy to predict and they fight evenly until Dyspo uses more speed

So in terms of feats:
Freeza (Fought evenly against Dyspo) > SSJG Goku (Could see Dyspo) > Hit (Stomped by Dyspo

What do you think @SIAD @Goku9001 @Animelover5487

 

[SIAD]

What do you think @SIAD @Goku9001 @Animelover5487

I find it very interesting, but it's hard for me to have Goku SSJG (Start ToP) > Hit (Start ToP), because Hit seems to have gotten a lot stronger between the U6 Tournament and the Filler. Goku between the Filler and the Start of the ToP, hardly trained, even seems to have rusted and still be much stronger than an even more powerful version of Hit.

I have no problem with having Hit (Start of ToP) > Goku SSJB (Start of ToP), because Hit seemed to be messing with Dyspo and was suppressing speed from him, as Toppo mentioned.

 

[GreatSaiyaman123]

I find it very interesting, but it's hard for me to have Goku SSJG (Start ToP) > Hit (Start ToP), because Hit seems to have gotten a lot stronger between the U6 Tournament and the Filler. Goku between the Filler and the Start of the ToP, hardly trained, even seems to have rusted and still be much stronger than an even more powerful version of Hit.

I have no problem with having Hit (Start of ToP) > Goku SSJB (Start of ToP), because Hit seemed to be messing with Dyspo and was suppressing speed from him, as Toppo mentioned.

Hit doesn’t mess around. He was utterly helpless against Dyspo and only won because he’s constantly improving in battle.

 

[Animelover5487]

I would say SSJG Goku (Start of ToP) >=< Hit (Start of ToP). Just compare their perfomances in episode 104:

Hit tries to use time skip, but Dyspo hears the muscle flex Hit does when he’s about to use it and attacks him every time. Hit can’t even see Dyspo, and Dyspo’s blows are hard enough to have Hit in serious pain and struggling to get up, but not even multiple blows KO him. Hit eventually just lets Dyspo attack him so he can improve, and he slowly gets up to Dyspo’s level and beyond.

Kunshi comes to help Dyspo, and SSJG Goku joins to help Hit. SSJG Goku also gets smacked around and forces Goku to use Blue in bursts to attack. Goku says he managed to transform because it’s easy to predict when Dyspo is going to attack him, though he needs Blue to react. SSJB is also suggested to be stronger than Improved Hit since the latter was careful of Kunshi’s threads while SSJB Goku goes right through them.

Hit later improves again to fight Jiren and seems to he near 1st UI Sign Goku, but is still weaker. I’d say the gap is similar to Goku vs Cell: A bit weaker and mostly on the defensive, but could still fight back a bit.

Several episodes later we have Dyspo vs Freeza. Freeza gets dragged around, but like Goku he says Dyspo’s movement are easy to predict and they fight evenly until Dyspo uses more speed

So in terms of feats:
Freeza (Fought evenly against Dyspo) > SSJG Goku (Could see Dyspo) > Hit (Stomped by Dyspo

So SSJ2 Cabba is stronger than SSJG Goku and Hit (vs Dyspo)? Freeza isn't a Saiyan so I seriously doubt he got any mid tournament power ups.

 

[GreatSaiyaman123]

So SSJ2 Cabba is stronger than SSJG Goku and Hit (vs Dyspo)? Freeza isn't a Saiyan so I seriously doubt he got any mid tournament power ups.

Yeah I always thought about that too. But Dyspo isn’t SSJ2 Cabba level, is he? He’s tanking punches from Hit and Blue Goku. It’s possible Freeza just overdid it.

But I dunno. Dyspo’s speed is so weird. Sometimes Freeza can react him, sometimes he can’t. Their physical power seem to be comparable though.

 

[Animelover5487]

Yeah I always thought about that too. But Dyspo isn’t SSJ2 Cabba level, is he? He’s tanking punches from Hit and Blue Goku. It’s possible Freeza just overdid it.

But I dunno. Dyspo’s speed is so weird. Sometimes Freeza can react him, sometimes he can’t. Their physical power seem to be comparable though.

Yeah it's possible Freeza overdid I guess. IIRC, he also was willing to fight Kale and Caulifia without turning Golden before Goku intervened.

 

[SIAD]

What if Goku got a Zenkai Power, after Kale LSSJ hit Goku SSJB (Suppressed vs Kale)?

Maybe it's an option and with that have:

Vegeta SSJB (Start ToP) = Goku SSJB (Post Kale) = Toppo > Hit (Improved vs. Dyspo) > Dyspo (Speed) > Hit (Start ToP) > Goku SSJB (Fill vs. Hit) = Hit (Fill)?

 

[GreatSaiyaman123]

Yeah it's possible Freeza overdid I guess. IIRC, he also was willing to fight Kale and Caulifia without turning Golden before Goku intervened.

Yep. He even considers using Golden on Cabba a waste of energy.

What if Goku got a Zenkai Power, after Kale LSSJ hit Goku SSJB (Suppressed vs Kale)?

Maybe it's an option and with that have:

Vegeta SSJB (Start ToP) = Goku SSJB (Post Kale) = Toppo > Hit (Improved vs. Dyspo) > Dyspo (Speed) > Hit (Start ToP) > Goku SSJB (Fill vs. Hit) = Hit (Fill)?

I don't think so. He wasn't injured by Kale at all.

I have:

Toppo > SSJB Goku = Golden Freeza >= SSJB Vegeta > Hit (Improved vs Dyspo) > Dyspo (Speed) > 4th form Freeza > Hit (Start of ToP) = SSJG Goku > SSJB Goku (Vs Hit) > Hit (Vs Goku)

 

[Goku9001]

What do you think @SIAD @Goku9001 @Animelover5487

No. Goku is a rival to Hit. Being able to match him with just God seems pretty absurd since Goku needed Blue to keep up with Dyspo.

 

[GreatSaiyaman123]

No. Goku is a rival to Hit. Being able to match him with just God seems pretty absurd since Goku needed Blue to keep up with Dyspo.

And Hit needed to adapt to keep up with Dyspo. And even after that he needed Goku’s help to beat Dyspo and Kunshi, and Goku was casually steamrolling through both of them.