Goku's lack of versatility in the Majin Vegeta fight

[Spiral-Force]

He wanted to finish the fight quickly, yet Vegeta was the aggressor for the most part. Seemingly no game plan and no attempt at a lethal combination like an Instant Transmission Kamehameha.

Not to take anything away from Vegeta though. Considering Goku's more varied skillset, brawling was probably Vegeta's best bet.

So what do you think this comes down to?

 

[Fantastische Hure]

It really did seem like he was letting Vegeta attack him. Like he couldn’t even be bothered to fight him with his all.

 

[Symbiote]

He was trying to win without hurting his friends feelings.

 

[Fantastische Hure]

He was trying to win without hurting his friends feelings.

But in the process he hurt his feelings even more. Vegeta is so difficult to understand.

 

[Papasmurf]

AT just got lazy during the Boo arc. Or, Goku didn't expect it to do any good since Vegeta had seen the teleportation move like 5 times already and would be prepared for it after raring to go at Kakarotto!11!! for well over a decade.

 

[Spiral-Force]

I also had those thoughts. Many ways to look at it, which makes it interesting. It also brings into question what the two of them would have done if Goku won, and how Vegeta's redemption would've been handled.

 

[GreatSaiyaman123]

I wouldn’t say Vegeta had Goku in defensive. They were matching each other blow for blow from what little we saw of the fight. I agree with Kenshi that the surprise factor of the Shunkan Ido Kamehameha was probably lost since Vegeta’s seen it already.

I’d also agree that Toriyama didn’t give the fight much though. The fight lasts some 3 chapters, but I doubt the actual brawling had enough panels to fill even one chapter. The bulk of the fight was shown in the anime, and I think Vegeta may have had a bit of the upperhand here.

 

[Papasmurf]

@GreatSaiyaman123 Do you give Vegeta the same zombie-like resilience that Lord Spopovich had when he was given the M mark?

 

[SSJ2]

I think Goku gave in to his Saiyan instincts and wanted to enjoy the fight and beat Vegeta in the same manner that he wanted to defeat Freeza. You can see he was enjoying it after their initial clashes. He wanted to beat him hand to hand.

 

[Papasmurf]

I think Goku gave in to his Saiyan instincts and wanted to enjoy the fight and beat Vegeta in the same manner that he wanted to defeat Freeza. You can see he was enjoying it after their initial clashes. He wanted to beat him hand to hand.

Why do you think he didn't teleport though? He wasn't above using superspeed to disappear, use afterimages etc. in the battles with Freeza and Cell. Did he just think Vegeta had a counter prepared for teleportation after so many years?

 

[Spiral-Force]

They were indeed matching each other GSM, but it was mainly Vegeta initiating an exchange and Goku just reacting to it; the latter rarely took the lead, even in the anime.

Saiyan love for battle is an element worth mentioning, as said by SS. Though it's also worth noting that Goku was quite cognizant of the consequence of their fight; expressing concern and guilt over how it helped to restore Buu.

 

[SSJ2]

Why do you think he didn't teleport though? He wasn't above using superspeed to disappear, use afterimages etc. in the battles with Freeza and Cell. Did he just think Vegeta had a counter prepared for teleportation after so many years?

Even against Cell he only used it selectively. It wasn’t as though he could spam it at Cell and continually gain an advantage from it, it was only when he could catch Cell off guard. Perhaps he’d expect Vegeta to be on guard for it due to having witnessed it so many times. A Shunkan Ido KHH likely would have been effective, but Goku wasn’t trying to kill Vegeta.

 

[Spiral-Force]

Yeah against Cell there was the whole "is Goku really going to take Cell out along with the planet?" thing that everyone was distracted with beforehand. Though, the combo in and of itself is still pretty dangerous. If Vegeta somehow had a counter to it, that would've been spectacular to see and would've really shown the depth of Vegeta's growth as a fighter. Still have no clue what his counter measure would be if he prepared for that.

If Goku used that combo on Vegeta, he'd of course aim to just vastly weaken him and nothing more.

 

[Papasmurf]

Super showed Caulifla being able to read where Goku would reappear with the Shunkan Ido so likely the same. Perhaps it's the same finger beam that he used on Boo, but with less charge time? It seemed pretty haxed for a finger beam seeing as Vegeta thought he'd killed Boo with it.

 

[ahill1]

It's worth noting that Cell stated Goku's Shunkan Ido KMHMH attack wouldn't function on him twice. So Vegeta having witnessed it, I think he'd counter it the same way Cell would a 2nd time. Dunno how tho. Maybe knowing Goku would appear exactly at his location with the attack, he'd prepare a counterattack powerful enough to clash with Goku's.

For what it's worth, Goku was getting the best of Vegeta using teleportation in their sparring in the Super manga at Beerus' planet, in which he'd move too fast for Vegeta to react. Vegeta had to cheat to get the upper hand. But I thought that Shunkan Ido usage by Goku there was kinda sloppy. Doesn't he need to lock onto someone's chi to teleport? He kept teleporting away from Vegeta... unless he could lock and teleport to every random substance and thing, like the air and a plant nearby...

 

[GreatSaiyaman123]

For what it's worth, Goku was getting the best of Vegeta using teleportation in their sparring in the Super manga at Beerus' planet, in which he'd move too fast for Vegeta to react. Vegeta had to cheat to get the upper hand. But I thought that Shunkan Ido usage by Goku there was kinda sloppy. Doesn't he need to lock onto someone's chi to teleport? He kept teleporting away from Vegeta... unless he could lock and teleport to every random substance and thing, like the air and a plant nearby...

He transports to their general vicinity, so I guess he can use to run around someone without getting too far.

True question is… how did Goku use the Shunkan Ido Kamehameha without using his fingers?

 

[ahill1]

Maybe he only needs his fingers when the opponents are more far away and he needs to focus more to find their chi.

 

[Papasmurf]

Goku didn't need his fingers to teleport back from where Cell was either, days before the CG.