Good Boo >= Freeza 1rst Form (Post)

[kriss-]

Minute: 3
Kuririn: “Goku and Vegeta aren't here yet? Well, I guess that's all right, we've got Boo, and...Huh? Where's Boo?”
Gohan: “You see... Apparently, once he falls asleep, he won't wake up for some time…Even if you shake, hit, or tickle him, nothing works...”

Everybody was capable of sensing Freezas new power, but Kuririn still felt compelled to hold Good Boo to a higher degree of power.

 

[Let's Go Fearless!]

It just mean that with Boo is there they can manage something, beside Krilin is a bad sensor.

 

[kriss-]

Kuririn is only a bad Ki sensor when your perspective demands it, otherwise he is recognized as being completely reliable. Gohan did not contradict his point, neither did Piccolo, I guess everybody is a bad Ki sensor right?

 

[Let's Go Fearless!]

They know what Krilin meant so no.

 

[Fantastische Hure]

He was about to say Gohan, too before he realized Boo wasn't there.

He says and. 1 1 1

 

[kriss-]

They know what Krilin meant so no.

So now you're considering that Good Boo could potentially be within the same league as 1rst form freeza?

 

[Evil Vegeta]

Krillin said they'd be fine if they had Boo and Gohan available to fight in place of Goku and Vegeta.

Gohan was there, Boo wasn't. Roshi said they've miscalculated the amount of allies they'd have available. That's all it means. Freeza is superior to Ultimate Gohan, so he's definitely above Mr. Boo.

 

[kriss-]

Boo and Gohan, they probably could have managed something.

 

[Evil Vegeta]

Well, Freeza is above Ultimate Gohan (BoG), so that seems unlikely.

 

[kriss-]

Battle of Gods follows its own logic and should be separated from Db Super, it causes contradictions.

 

[Evil Vegeta]

I'm referring to the BoG saga. Ultimate Gohan tried to help Mr. Boo before Beers uses Boo to KO him.

 

[kriss-]

I'm referring to the BoG saga. Ultimate Gohan tried to help Mr. Boo before Beers uses Boo to KO him.

What does that mean?

 

[Evil Vegeta]

That Freeza is above Ultimate Gohan, which means he's above Mr. Boo.

 

[kriss-]

That Freeza is above Ultimate Gohan, which means he's above Mr. Boo.

Gohan in the Freeza Arc could barely handle turning Super Saiyan, he's not comparable to himself in alternate universes or sagas.

 

[Evil Vegeta]

Gohan didn't realize he couldn't become Ultimate until after he fought Ginyu for awhile. That's when he decided he had no choice but to turn Super Saiyan.

 

[kriss-]

He's still not comparable to where he was previously at. So you're reaching as usual.

 

[Evil Vegeta]

Everyone, including Piccolo, thought Gohan was going to put up a fight against Beers before he was easily knocked out. That still places him above Mr. Boo. Gohan slacked on his training for six months, but he still thought he could become Ultimate. He even says Tagoma=His best.

How is that reaching when Gohan is under the impression that his Ultimate power wouldn't do anything to Freeza? Gohan thought he could become Ultimate until he fought with Ginyu and realized that he couldn't. All of this stuff is stated.

 

[kriss-]

Battle of Gods is entirely exclusive of Dragonball Super, the two contradict each other.

Even if you wanted to argue about that specific timeline in Dragonball Super, it's still takes place 5 years before the Freeza Arc, where Gohan is shown to have regressed tremendously.

When Beerus showed up, Gohan had his Ultimate Gohan.
When Freeza showed up, Gohan lost it completely and couldn barely turn Super Saiyan.

If he's unable to fully comprehend his limits, he has no reason to judge someone else's, especially when he implies a character being at his aforementioned limits, but he one-shots him with his much weaker, present limits.

 

[Evil Vegeta]

I'm NOT talking about the BoG film. I'm talking about Super's rendition of it. The RoF events was six months after the BoG saga in Super.

Gohan says Tagoma was hiding power that was equal to his Ultimate power. Ginyu takes the power and brings it out. That's the whole point of Gohan challenging Ginyu alone. Say what you will about Gohan, but Ginyu bringing out Tagoma's hidden power proves Gohan's assessment was accurate. When he became Super Saiyan, it took him past his normal limits because he wasn't sure if he could even hold the form for long.

Base Gohan>Piccolo is also shown and stated during RoF. Since Freeza>Base Goku, we know for a fact Gohan's powers must work differently. Anyway, Freeza is above all of them.

 

[kriss-]

Minute: 22~23
Gohan (narrating the NEP): “This Tagoma person is on a completely different level from the other soldiers. He’s hiding power at least on par with my own! No way... His power rose even higher?! What's that bizarre pose?!”

This statement shows that Gohan's overall consideration of Tagoma is that Tagoma's battle power was at least on par with his own, but than he says that Tagoma surpassed it. This was before he became a Super Saiyan. If you believe that Gohan was referring his Ultimate Form, than Tagoma surpassed what Gohan considered his full potential, but this causes a contradiction because he one-shots him directly afterwards.

He isn't considering his Mystic form, at least that much is clear.

Where is the evidence to determine that Piccolo is stronger than Base Gohan during the Freeza Arc?