...Goten was born in an apocalyptic world?

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Or maybe even in the future time-line (which is kind-of impossible), but if Goku & Chi-Chi conceived Goten before for what-ever reason...

We saw how that changed Trunks, but how'd that change Goten?
 

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It would most likely just make Goten into Future Trunks 2.0. He'd go through the same training as Trunks and in the case that one of the two died, the other would take on Future Trunks' normal role in the Cell Arc.

Let's assume for the sake of the scenario that both survive throughout those years. I'd still say Trunks would be the one to visit the first time, with Goten joining him the 2nd time around. This doesn't change too much at first, beyond #17 possibly needing to expend some effort to take down an additional Super Saiyan when considering the teamwork Goten and Trunks would have. Goku would still go in the Rosat with Gohan, with Goten going in with Trunks during his 2nd trip and Goku doing a bit of personal training with him in the days of peace. Overall, nothing major changes with the Cell Arc.

The present Goten being born far earlier would mean Trunks wouldn't have a natural lead on him and the two would be fairly equal in power and skill. This may allow Goten to win the kids' division. Regardless of the outcome, it'd make him far less of a lackey, so the Mighty Mask shenanigans don't happen. it would also mean they take less time in learning fusion, though not by enough to change the plot in a major way.

With the Zamasu Arc, however, things can take a somewhat different route. With someone just as strong as Trunks, it's most likely Dabura and Babidi would never get in the position where Shin's life would be in danger, so Zamasu is forced to look for a different timeline and is eventually dealt with by Daishinkan or Zen-Oh. As for the Tournament of Power, Goku and Vegeta not achieving Perfected Super Saiyan Blue would mean they are eliminated by Toppo or Jiren, with Universe 11 winning the tournament.

Assuming somehow Goten and Trunks still failed to save Shin, Goten isn't killed by Black prior to the escape and both Saiyans escape to the present timeline, we still have a new take on the arc. Whilst the timeline is being fixed, Goku would help teach the two fusion, as would their present counterparts. Once learning the basics, the fathers and future sons would go into the Rosat to perfect fusion. When returning to the future, Goten and Trunks would declare they will defend their future. In his base state alone, Future Gotenks is capable of manhandling SSJ Black, which forces the story to go one of two ways:

1. With their serious attitude, Gotenks quickly kills Black and Zamasu arrives to find himself outnumbered. His immortality still proves difficult, to which Goku decides to head back to the present with Goten whilst Vegeta and Trunks keep Zamasu at bay. Goku learns the Mafuba and with Goten there to assist him, he brings the right seal and seals away Zamasu. Still, without the power ups gained in this arc, Goku and Vegeta lack the strength to take on Toppo or last at all against Jiren, with Universe 11 still winning the ToP.

2. Gotenks leaves an opening for Zamasu to heal Black. Even with his Zenkai, however, Black is helpless against the fusion, his Rose form at best making Gotenks go SSJ. Zamasu and Black quickly resort to the Potara, with Gotenks using his full SS2 power to crush him. However, he is unable to last long enough to destroy Zamasu, at which point Vegetto steps in. Vegetto Blue makes the same mistake as in canon and diffuses too quickly, with the arc going the same as in canon from here.
 

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I mainly meant in-terms of personality, that's also why I said we saw how the situation/circumstances/environment changed Trunks (comparing Future Trunks to present Trunks). That is the reason I wondered whether I should post this on the general discussion or this section.
 

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I know. However, there's honestly little to say about how his personality would be. He'd be more serious about things than his present self just like Future Trunks, with character design being the only real difference between the two. Maybe being more directly associated with Gohan would have Goten utilise his brother's skills more than Trunks did and being even more driven for revenge by Gohan's death than Trunks was, but that's about it.
 

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Trunks from the future as a child also seemed more polite than present Trunks, but when present Trunks was 18 at the end of DragonBall Z he also seemed to have become more like Future Trunks.
 

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That might also be because Trunks from the future grew-up without Vegeta or most of the heroes around him.
 

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Captain Cadaver said:
With the Zamasu Arc, however, things can take a somewhat different route. With someone just as strong as Trunks, it's most likely Dabura and Babidi would never get in the position where Shin's life would be in danger, so Zamasu is forced to look for a different timeline and is eventually dealt with by Daishinkan or Zen-Oh.

Zamasu isn't stupid. He would know that he would be dealt with by Daishinkan/Zeno unless he did everything in secret. Since there were no other timelines with a dead Beerus, I think he would still pick Trunkses timeline, because it was the one with the weakest warriors still alive.
 

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Zamasu isn't stupid. He would know that he would be dealt with by Daishinkan/Zeno unless he did everything in secret.
Which doesn't matter, considering it would be inevitable that either Daishinkan or Zen-Oh would become aware of his actions at some point, considering he was also planning on wiping out the gods.

Since there were no other timelines with a dead Beerus, I think he would still pick Trunkses timeline, because it was the one with the weakest warriors still alive.
Black specifically referred to Beerus' absence as the reason he picked Trunks' timeline due to Beerus being the most difficult Hakaishin to deal with.
 

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Captain Cadaver said:
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Zamasu isn't stupid. He would know that he would be dealt with by Daishinkan/Zeno unless he did everything in secret.
Which doesn't matter, considering it would be inevitable that either Daishinkan or Zen-Oh would become aware of his actions at some point, considering he was also planning on wiping out the gods.

Since there were no other timelines with a dead Beerus, I think he would still pick Trunkses timeline, because it was the one with the weakest warriors still alive.
Black specifically referred to Beerus' absence as the reason he picked Trunks' timeline due to Beerus being the most difficult Hakaishin to deal with.

But still he would take Goku's body and kill him and no Trunks would go back in time. So what would happen then in the main timeline? Would Goku be resurrected?
 

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But still he would take Goku's body and kill him and no Trunks would go back in time. So what would happen then in the main timeline? Would Goku be resurrected?
It didn't effect the main timeline in canon, so it won't here.
 

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Captain Cadaver said:
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But still he would take Goku's body and kill him and no Trunks would go back in time. So what would happen then in the main timeline? Would Goku be resurrected?
It didn't effect the main timeline in canon, so it won't here.

In canon, the main timeline was the one that was created when Trunks went back and warned them, thus altering those events. In this scenario, Trunks doesn't time travel, so the main timeline is still the one where Zamasu successfully takes Goku's body and kills him.
 

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