Hakaishins from weakest to strongest

[GSM123]

How would rank the 12 in the manga? I’ve seen a lot of people suggest Belmond is among the weakest, but I don’t see why. He was unscathed by Liquiir’s Ki barrage.

Also where does : fit in? :

 

[SIAD]

@Captain Cadaver

 

[GSM123]

@SIAD

 

[Pyro]

The Belmod wank is real. He literally did almost nothing in the fight before playing possum. His special move did no damage to the other gods so what is everyone riding his dick for? According to the story, he's one of the weaker gods. He's inferior to Jiren, who got punked by UI Goku, who's now much stronger, who is vastly inferior to Beerus. That's a large gap between Beerus and Belmod implied, which means there's also a large gap between Quitela/Champa and Belmod.

Beerus >= Quitela > Champa >?< Mosco > other gods

That's about as much as we really can say.

 

[SIAD]

I wouldn't know what to say, but at least I believe this:

Beerus (Current) = Remove it >> Rumoosh> Average level Hakaishin = UI Goku (ToP) >>> Vegetto SSJB (Manga)> = Broly LSSJ> = Beerus (Past)> = Champa >>> Low level Hakaishin ~ Vermoud ~ Liquir >> Sidra.

 

[SSJ2]

Beerus >= Quitela >= Champa > Rumsshi > other gods

That's about as much as we really can say.

When was Champa implied to be above Rumoosh?

 

[SIAD]

Everything seems to indicate that the power differences of the Hakaishins is similar to the power differences of the Saiyans (Pre DBZ).

Surely Beerus has grown stronger in recent years, as he went from slightly higher than Champa to much stronger than Champa.

I think Vermoud was initially strong, but in the Present he is already retreating and does not have the same power as before.

 

[Pyro]

Beerus has been a destroyer for millions of years while Belmod is relatively new to the job as far as I recall.

Champa is implied to be slightly weaker than Beerus due to slacking on his training by Vados. That gap should carry into the god battle royale. Rumsshi is one of the four gods (Beerus, Quitela, Champa) sort of showcased prior to the battle being stopped, so I figure he's in the top four and probably behind or on par with Champa.

 

[SSJ2]

Hm, I thought Vados made it seem like Champa was far weaker than Beerus. Will have to read it again.

 

[Pyro]

She joked about it being obvious based on Champa being a tub of lard, but I don't think it's that cut and dry. Could be a bigger gap than I originally perceived, though.

 

[GSM123]

The Belmod wank is real. He literally did almost nothing in the fight before playing possum. His special move did no damage to the other gods so what is everyone riding his dick for? According to the story, he's one of the weaker gods. He's inferior to Jiren, who got punked by UI Goku, who's now much stronger, who is vastly inferior to Beerus. That's a large gap between Beerus and Belmod implied, which means there's also a large gap between Quitela/Champa and Belmod.

Beerus >= Quitela > Champa > Rumsshi > other gods

That's about as much as we really can say.

His special move did make Rumoosh bleed. He also blocked Liquiir’s barrier, but I’m not sure how good is that since Liquiir broke his barrier before.

Why does everyone think Rumoosh is so strong? He does nothing without his scream thing.

 

[Pyro]

His special move did make Rumoosh bleed. He also blocked Liquiir’s barrier, but I’m not sure how good is that since Liquiir broke his barrier before.

Why does everyone think Rumoosh is so strong? He does nothing without his scream thing.

Huh? Rumsshi dodged both cards flung at him and took no damage. It doesn't seem like anyone took damage from Belmod's attack, unlike Rumsshi's battle roar that had everyone frazzled enough to bulldoze through them.

I was actually mistakenly thinking of the robot suit god, Mosco. Right before the Grand Priest stops the skirmish, we see Champa punching Sidra, Mosco squeezing Liquiir and beaming Heles simultaneously, and then Quitela KO'ing Iwne. Then Quitela and Beerus prepare to square off. So it'd be Beerus, Quitela, Champa, and Mosco as the last ones to get shown doing anything of note, particularly Quitela who actually visibly bodied another god.

Now that I read it again, it makes me think Goku really couldn't pinpoint Beerus' strength. After the Rumsshi scourge and everyone started battling, he said their strength was mind-blowing and he couldn't figure out who was fighting whom. That makes his statement about Broly being "probably" stronger less concrete to me since he'd have no stable reference point.

 

[GSM123]

I wouldn't know what to say, but at least I believe this:

Beerus (Current) = Remove it >> Rumoosh> Average level Hakaishin = UI Goku (ToP) >>> Vegetto SSJB (Manga)> = Broly LSSJ> = Beerus (Past)> = Champa >>> Low level Hakaishin ~ Vermoud ~ Liquir >> Sidra.

I don’t think Broly was being compared to past Beerus. If Goku doesn’t even know how strong Beerus is currently, how could he know his strength from years ago?

 

[Dominus Laurentius]

Beerus >=< Quitela > Champa >=< Mosco > Rumsshi >=< Belmod > Liquiir >=< Helles > Sidra >=< Geene >=< Arak >=< Iwne

 

[Pyro]

Ooh, I like that. Takes statements and feats into consideration, doesn't really make bold assumptions. Feels goooood.

 

[Captain Cadaver]

Beerus > Quitela > Rumoosh > Champa > Mosco >> Heles > Liquiir > Belmod > Iwan > Sidra > Gene ~ Arak

Beerus being the top dog (or I guess cat) is pretty self-explanatory, with Quitela being in rivalling range to him, though I'd still say Beerus is superior when considering how he handled himself even with the other Hakaishin dogpiling him. Rumoosh comes next with his feat of knocking Champa aside pretty easily and seeming to have been the one who fatigued Beerus. Champa is next for having once been an equal to Beerus and it doesn't seem as though Beerus became several times stronger since, with the only Hakaishin shown to overpower Champa being Beerus and Rumoosh, and we never really got a clear indication on who beat him. Mosco is next for having been able to overpower both Heles and Liquiir as well, with the former having easily pierced through the latter's arm with her arrow. Belmod is next with him being clearly stronger than Sidra, but having not presented many feats beyond an attack that ignores conventional durability and Jiren's place in the current power scale making him fairly unimpressive. Iwan at least managed to take a hit from Rumoosh and still seemingly do some damage to Quitela, which is an okay feat but would be more impressive with greater context behind if he did most of it himself. Sidra is next for having at least avoided being oneshotted by Belmod and having seemingly damaged Champa a little. Finally, Gene and Arak are quite featless.

 

[SIAD]

No creo que se estuviera comparando a Broly con el pasado de Beerus. Si Goku ni siquiera sabe cuán fuerte es Beerus actualmente, ¿cómo podría saber su fuerza de hace años?

Maybe in the anime, at first Beerus was barely stronger than Champa in the Universe 6 Tournament. Since he found out that Goku wanted to face him in the future, he decided to train in secret. Goku then compares Broly to the Beerus he saw fighting Champa, since Goku is unaware that Beerus trained afterwards.

As for the Manga, surely Beerus has secretly trained at some point after facing Champa millions of years ago. Surely Shin knew the power that Beerus had in the past and that is why he compares Vegetto SSJB with Beerus from the past, since Shin is unaware that Beerus trained afterwards.

 

[SIAD]

Beerus > Quitela > Rumoosh > Champa > Mosco >> Heles > Liquiir > Belmod > Iwan > Sidra > Gene ~ Arak

Beerus being the top dog (or I guess cat) is pretty self-explanatory, with Quitela being in rivalling range to him, though I'd still say Beerus is superior when considering how he handled himself even with the other Hakaishin dogpiling him. Rumoosh comes next with his feat of knocking Champa aside pretty easily and seeming to have been the one who fatigued Beerus. Champa is next for having once been an equal to Beerus and it doesn't seem as though Beerus became several times stronger since, with the only Hakaishin shown to overpower Champa being Beerus and Rumoosh, and we never really got a clear indication on who beat him. Mosco is next for having been able to overpower both Heles and Liquiir as well, with the former having easily pierced through the latter's arm with her arrow. Belmod is next with him being clearly stronger than Sidra, but having not presented many feats beyond an attack that ignores conventional durability and Jiren's place in the current power scale making him fairly unimpressive. Iwan at least managed to take a hit from Rumoosh and still seemingly do some damage to Quitela, which is an okay feat but would be more impressive with greater context behind if he did most of it himself. Sidra is next for having at least avoided being oneshotted by Belmod and having seemingly damaged Champa a little. Finally, Gene and Arak are quite featless.

It sounds very interesting, apparently there is a tremendous gap between high-level Hakaishins over low-level Hakaishins. Something similar to the gaps that existed between the Saiyans in the past.

The only reason I think Beerus got a lot stronger, is because Goku saw the Champa vs Beerus match and thought that Broly could be stronger than Beerus. On the other hand, perhaps in that Hakaishins clash, they failed to use their 100% because the combat was interrupted.

Do you think Rumoosh is on the UI level Goku (Vs Moro)? Whereas Beerus commented that UI Goku was at the Hakaishin level.

 

[GSM123]

Depending on how big these gaps between Hakaishins are, it's possible Beerus didn't even train in secret at all. We don't know if Goku ever believed Broly to be stronger than Beerus, after all. The movie does seem to follow manga canon though since Jiren is > Beerus in the anime.

@Captain Cadaver when did Rumoosh knock Champa aside? They never even fought on screen.

How big would you say the gap between Beerus and Arak is? SIAD seems to think it’s something comparable to the gap between Vegeta and Raditz. That’s supported by the narrative of Beerus still being the strongest, but it doesn’t seem like one Hakaishin can one shot another going by the Exhibiton Match.

@SIAD when did Beerus comment that UI Goku was Hakaishin level?

I'd say both UI Goku and Gogeta Blue are impossible to know for sure besides being Hakaishin tier, but Vegetto Blue should be >= Champa, perhaps rivaling Beerus.

 

[SIAD]

At one point in the fight between UI Goku vs Moro (OG73I), Beerus commented that Goku fought like a God.