Hit (Manga) vs Bills (vs Super-Saiyan God Goku)

[Fantastische Hure]

Who wins?

Hit got destroyed by Goku.

 

[Papasmurf]

Goku needed to go SSJB to counter Hit's final timestop, so I think he would've won against the lower form red Galu

 

[Fantastische Hure]

Goku needed to go SSJB to counter Hit's final timestop, so I think he would've won against the lower form red Galu

Bills

But how far ahead was Red Super-Saiyan God Goku to Hit in the manga? He just seemed to be able to beat-up on him easily, if I remember correctly.

 

[Let's Go Fearless!]

I think both are close but I think there are some difference between Hit in both manga and anime and can anyone tell me?

 

[Fantastische Hure]

I think both are close but I think there are some difference between Hit in both manga and anime and can anyone tell me?

Hit got owned in the manga by Super-Saiyan Red Goku, but could still do something with time-skip ability apparently.

Super-Saiyan Blue was too high for even that and he owned him again.

 

[Papasmurf]

In the manga Hit was significantly nerfed compared to his anime version. Manga!Hit could paralyze SSJ and base Galu for 0.1 seconds, although this became less effective as Goku began reading his movements, and took down SSJB Vegeta (10%) with relative ease. But it turned out his timestop is only effective against people of similar power to him or weaker than him, so when Galu went SSJG his timestops shortened to the point where he couldn't counter a blast from him. His FP was on par with SSJG Galu so he was confident in winning, but the instant SSJB Galu came out he was overwhelmed and would've been instantly beaten had Galu's KHH not missed.

All in all I'd still give him the edge against Beerus, since Galu trained for 3 years in the Rosat before the tournament which I'd think would have allowed him to surpass suppressed Beerus at least (since he could at least hold his own against him for a while).

 

[Fantastische Hure]

In the manga Hit was significantly nerfed compared to his anime version. Manga!Hit could paralyze SSJ and base Galu for 0.1 seconds, although this became less effective as Goku began reading his movements, and took down SSJB Vegeta (10%) with relative ease. But it turned out his timestop is only effective against people of similar power to him or weaker than him, so when Galu went SSJG his timestops shortened to the point where he couldn't counter a blast from him. His FP was on par with SSJG Galu so he was confident in winning, but the instant SSJB Galu came out he was overwhelmed and would've been instantly beaten had Galu's KHH not missed.

All in all I'd still give him the edge against Beerus, since Galu trained for 3 years in the Rosat before the tournament which I'd think would have allowed him to surpass suppressed Beerus at least (since he could at least hold his own against him for a while).

Wait...I looked but I didn't see Hit being on-par with Super-Saiyan Red Goku. Are you going by Hit not having showed his real-power and think he's on-par with Super-Saiyan Red Goku, or am I missing something?

 

[Papasmurf]

 

[Let's Go Fearless!]

If that's the case then Hit might pull this off unless Beerus has something on his sleeves.

 

[Fantastische Hure]

Yeah, I just looked this up on KissManga, but whilst they are surprised at Hit's power, is he on-par with Super-Saoyan Red Goku? He could stop him for the time he wanted to with that power obviously, but was he on-par with him power-wise?

 

[Papasmurf]

They said he can't use his timestops if he's significantly weaker than his opponent, so they're obviously on the same tier

 

[Fantastische Hure]

They said he can't use his timestops if he's significantly weaker than his opponent, so they're obviously on the same tier

Makes sense. I was just kind-of skimming through the pages (since I didn't care to read all of that at that point), so yeah I probably missed that.

 

[Papasmurf]

 

[Fantastische Hure]

I honestly prefer the manga version. Makes more sense.

So their bases in the manga are still only around Boo-Saga levels? Or are their regular-states ~ Super-Saiyan God (BoG) <<< Super-Saiyan God Goku (Univer 6)?

 

[Papasmurf]

Their bases are obviously waaaaaaaaay above their manga Boo arc versions since suppressed Hit can easily down 10% SSJB Vegeta and Galu was evenly matched with him at SSJ, only faltering because his stamina was worse, and he already was able to counter Hit somewhat even in base simply by predicting his 0.1 seconds movement during timestops. But on a whole, Hit seems rather nerfed compared to his anime self as Hit had no stamina issues whatsoever in the anime, and when pushed could actually extend his timestops as opposed to them being continually shortened. Since BoG SSJG Galu could destroy the universe by clashing with another god tier opponent, there's no way their post-god selves are anywhere near as weak as their pre-god selves, otherwise Galu is basically fighting people on like Dabras tier or something.

I preferred the anime version somewhat, honestly. The way they made SSJB a shit form by making it practically unusable for a second time was lame considering people fall out of transformations all the time and said Galu stopped using SSJ2/3 because of their strain, and Hit looked like an idiot in the manga for not being intimidated by 100% SSJB Vegeta when an opponent on the same tier completely overwhelmed him at FP (which he can't even sustain for a minute... :/). In terms of overall power inflation the anime was pretty over the top though, with the Kaioken and all that shit. In that regard the manga is more tame.

 

[Fantastische Hure]

Yeah, the problem with Super-Saiyan Blue use in the manga is a bit weird, but I think that helps show just how immensely powerful the form actually is. The Super-Saiyan Blue form was actually at-least useful in the manga, in that it showed just how powerful it is. In the anime Freeza overwhelmed it and Hit then was able to fight evenly with even Kaio-Ken x10 version of that form. Just made it look useless.

In the anime everything just seemed so incosistent.

Maybe Hit could sense Vegeta's power and therefore saw he was not a threat anymore.

 

[Fantastische Hure]

Also I think it makes more sense that the bigger the power-difference the less he can use his time-skip ability effectively. The way the anime showed that just made it completely nonsensical.

Also Hit just randomly becoming stronger, I didn't like that either. At-least maybe give a reason for him somehow being able to become stronger, instead it's just Hit feels like it so he does.

 

[Papasmurf]

Hit actually egged Galu on to use his blue hair form when he turned SSJ1 (yellow), so it just makes me think he somehow only noticed it had God-ki when Vegeta used it at 100%, then didn't even realize he only won because Vegeta lost 91% of his ki from using it once. In regards to the battle being epic, the manga's version was a letdown because it seemed too obvious the final enemy was a few notches below the heroes and only did as well as he did because of dumb shit his opponents pulled before/during their match.

The anime at least had SSJB Galu overwhelm Hit before he extended his timestops, so I think it's just more Hit getting a lot of wank from the anime's team moreso than the form being useless, while in the manga Toyotaro probably took the same notes given to him by Toriyama to make Galu stronger than Vegeta during their match with Hit somehow and gave SSJB a shitty stamina problem to shaft veggie

 

[Fantastische Hure]

Hit actually egged Galu on to use his blue hair form when he turned SSJ1 (yellow), so it just makes me think he somehow only noticed it had God-ki when Vegeta used it at 100%, then didn't even realize he only won because Vegeta lost 91% of his ki from using it once. In regards to the battle being epic, the manga's version was a letdown because it seemed too obvious the final enemy was a few notches below the heroes and only did as well as he did because of dumb shit his opponents pulled before/during their match.

The anime at least had SSJB Galu overwhelm Hit before he extended his timestops, so I think it's just more Hit getting a lot of wank from the anime's team moreso than the form being useless, while in the manga Toyotaro probably took the same notes given to him by Toriyama to make Galu stronger than Vegeta during their match with Hit somehow and gave SSJB a shitty stamina problem to shaft veggie

I never really thought there was much of a difference between Goku and Vegeta in the manga, but maybe that's possible.

Personally, maybe it's just me, I prefer good reasons over just wanking someone to God-Levels for no reason. Even if in the manga, the only reason Universe 6 seemed strong was because of other factors other than power I still think it shows just how Godly God power is. I'd take that over Hit just somehow becoming stronger for no reason.

 

[Papasmurf]

And yeah, I felt there was a shitty explanation for Hit's anime wank myself, but this is the same series which has Future Trunks obtain power on par with SSJ3 post-god Galu by training in the future and made Freeza get about 10 trillion times stronger by training for a few months when turning to a cyborg hardly gave him any increase, so I didn't mind it as much. He at least explained he's never been pushed this far, so for a special ability he had naturally, being able to lengthen the duration by being pushed to a corner makes some sense, as it's different from increasing pure power (at least moreso than Piccolo's hax before the tournament etc.). It did technically help to make the battle present more tension by presenting Hit as a real threat and not an opponent Galu could beat easily if he could use his FP right off the bat.