How BOG should have went

[p123]

Alright just thinking about it now and Beerus should have had his big battles with Gotenks and Gohan, not Goku and Vegeta. Goku and Vegeta should be firmly on the sidelines watching the new generation come of age. The the whole " only a pure Saiyan can receive this upgrade " should be introduced. It is truly the only way for Goku and Vegeta to surpass their sons in all likelihood. Vegeta is my boy, but that rage boost is hot garbage.

Freeza being so upgraded is as well super retarded. But there's only so much I can fix here. But BOG would be totally canon in my book, if those small applications were added.

 

[kriss-]

Nah, Gotenks & Gohan are not relevant and only were when Goku decided to let them have a chance in the Boo Saga. They no longer carry any relevancy, which is good. Their characters are horrible at best.

 

[p123]

Unfortunately you are wrong. Gohan and Gotenks are vastly superior to Vegeta and Goku. This means they are indeed very relevant. The short amount of time between the Buu Saga and meeting Beerus is unrealistic for Goku and Vegeta of all people to surpass those two.

Goku/Vegeta > Gohan/Gotenks is just completely idiotic and a major fail by the author here.

 

[kriss-]

It's a matter of personal interpretation. An interview from Toriyama and statements from Super all suggest Goku was stronger during the Majin Boo Saga.

It's a cartoon, nothing is unrealistic.

 

[p123]

No it's not a matter of personal interpretation.

1) The boys weren't terribly far off from their fathers as Super Saiyans.
2) Ssj Gotenks Pre is at least somewhere around Ssj3 Goku.
3) Ssj Gotenks Post is a good margin stronger and has Ssj3.
4) Gohan is a good deal stronger than that
5) Goku wants nothing to do with Super Buu, at all.


There is no logical reason for Goku, let alone freaking Ssj2 Vegeta, to ever be close to Gohan and Gotenks while it suggested Goku wasn't training that hard and the time period is like 6 months.

 

[kriss-]

It definitely is.

a) The author is omniscient, characters are fallible.
b) No said statement is proven as fact at any single time.

It doesn't matter of Goku was training or not, he was already stronger. Toriyama stated the characters had become as powerful as they ever could during the Boo Saga, yet we've a statement from Vegeta that Goku became the strongest upon defeating Boo. Meaning the only person stronger than him up until that point was Majin Boo.

Nobody else.

I'll take the credibility of the author and a direct statement from Vegeta -that conforms to the idea with certainty and not speculation, to build my logic.

So yes, it is a matter of interpretation. Before you claim Super is inaccurate, or the author is, I'll debunk you with Toriyama re-reading the original Japanese Manga, which is more accurate than Herms. Herms has been uncertain about certain things. Yet Toriyama conforms to my ideals and not your own.

One does hold precedence over the other.

 

[p123]

You must be new here. p123 is the only omnipotent being in the DBZ universe. Bow down.

 

[kriss-]

You must be new here. p123 is the only omnipotent being in the DBZ universe. Bow down.

I'll take you on any day.

 

[p123]

I think anyone would agree with Gohan and Gotenks being the main fodder for Beerus would make everything blend much better.

 

[kriss-]

I can confidently say that that won't ever happen.

 

[Pyro]

It never will because Toei only cares for Goku, and on occasion Vegeta, and Toriyama doesn't care enough nor has he ever been anything more than a guy that flies by the seat of his britches.

 

[Zoom]

Vegeta is my boy, but that rage boost is hot garbage.

What do you think of ThePrinceOfSaiyajins theory that Vegeta might came from the original saiyan god? Or that now he's finally receiving the rage boost because of his righteous heart?

 

[p123]

Super Saiyan God is also garbage but its cool at least.

 

[Alex Boss]

Goku turning into a Blue methhead was alright imo

 

[kriss-]

I've always wondered why fans are so butt-hurt about Goku, the fucken protagonist, being the focus of the show. As soon as fans had any sort of 'fallible evidence' to make Goku weaker, the immediately jumped on in and cannot seem to get off Gotenks or Gohan's tip.

Sure, Goku may not have been in the spot-light for a few episodes during the Boo Saga & The Cell Games, but for every single event prior and after-wards, has been the sole focus and will continue to be so.

Gohan is a horrible character and contradicts what he would do as opposed to what fans want him to do.

 

[p123]

See this is where you prove yourself to be an idiot Tosh. No one wants Gohan to be the strongest, no one gives a fuck about Gotenks or Gohan. The flow of the story has gone a certain way and any abrupt changes in the tide disrupts the flow of the story. You can't have all this stuff building up and leading into an eventuality that's conveniently tossed aside for a bullshit purpose. You have to do it the right way. That's all people want.

We all want Goku and Vegeta above the boys. Duh. That's when the story is the best. But AT boxed himself in here. The only way out if the " This power up is only for Pure Saiyans " road, which is sketchy but doable.

SSJ4 and SSJGod both have those elements and considering to how boxed in AT is, it's really the only way out.

So in my best guess you being unable to have any clarity on this just shows that you are a Goku knob slobber above all which makes it hard to take you seriously at all. You have some good stuff but you leave the impression you have a 12 inch black dildo with the name Goku on it and you ram it up your ass repeatedly until you are gushing in blood and prostate juice.

Stop jamming your ass up with that and relax, we all want Goku cocks in our ass but we don't have to be so blatant about it alright kid/

 

[kriss-]

I am relaxed. It's just absurd that people became so butt-hurt over the fact that we have implications to suggest Goku was actually the strongest in the Boo Saga and how he became the absolute strongest in Battle of Gods.

The best people can do to dismiss Toriyama's hard-work and recent material is to call him stupid and forgetful, despite him contradicting these.

Also, flagged for name calling.

 

[kriss-]

Whatever helps you sleep at night Tosh. Literally no one of any merit sides with your bullshit. But tell me more about Marvel character powers, that seems to be your strength not really this DBZ stuff.

I've been getting alot of positive feedback regarding my ideals, so it's a long stretch to suggest nobody sides with my 'bullshit', which is more creative, compelling, and seemingly makes more sense, than a majority of the things you've recently said.

I don't let my own bias dictate my personal views.

 

[Southern Gothic]

Closing this topic until the situation cools down. Stay away from personal attacks. This goes to everyone.