How do the following characters from DBGT compare to those from DBS Anime?

[SIAD]

1.- Goku SSJ4 (FP).

2.- Super # 17 (Peak).

3.- Yi Xing long base.

4.- Goku SSJ4 (Beyond the limits).

5.- Omega Yi Xing Long.

6.- Minus Energy Power Ball.

7.- Gotenks SSJ4.

8.- Trunkten SSJ4.

9.- Gogeta SSJ4.

10.- Vegetto SSJ4.



How far does each go in the DBS anime?

 

[Pocket-Gog~]

1.- Goku SSJ4 (FP) = Super Saiyan Blue Kaio Ken x 10, on account of Goku having the Kamehameha x10.
2.- Super # 17 (Peak).= around the same as Goku SSJ4, but he can punch significantly above his weight class due to his energy adsorption being completely broken.
3.- Yi Xing long base = Stronger than Merged Zamasu tier, just because
4.- Goku SSJ4 (BtL) = Ultra Instinct Mastered, just because. It was a yuge boost.
5.- Omega Yi Xing Long. Stronger than Beerus, also, could destroy the universe just by standing around and he said he was a god of destruction
6.- Minus Energy Power Ball = Grand Priest tier.
7.- Gotenks SSJ4 = irrelevant jobber tier
8.- Trunkten SSJ4 = irrelevant jobber tier
9.- Gogeta SSJ4 = stronger than Zen'Oh
10.- Vegetto SSJ4 = stronger than Zen'Oh's dad

 

[SIAD]

1.- Goku SSJ4 (FP) = Super Saiyan Blue Kaio Ken x 10, on account of Goku having the Kamehameha x10.
2.- Super # 17 (Peak).= around the same as Goku SSJ4, but he can punch significantly above his weight class due to his energy adsorption being completely broken.
3.- Yi Xing long base = Stronger than Merged Zamasu tier, just because
4.- Goku SSJ4 (BtL) = Ultra Instinct Mastered, just because. It was a yuge boost.
5.- Omega Yi Xing Long. Stronger than Beerus, also, could destroy the universe just by standing around and he said he was a god of destruction
6.- Minus Energy Power Ball = Grand Priest tier.
7.- Gotenks SSJ4 = irrelevant jobber tier
8.- Trunkten SSJ4 = irrelevant jobber tier
9.- Gogeta SSJ4 = stronger than Zen'Oh
10.- Vegetto SSJ4 = stronger than Zen'Oh's dad

Why do you underestimate DBS characters like that?

 

[Pocket-Gog~]

Why do you underestimate DBS characters like that?

Because they're pretty unimpressive outside of like 1 or 2 throwaway statements.

 

[SIAD]

I have the top 4 under Beerus (Initial) and Vegeta SSJ2 (Enraged).

5.- I have Omega Yi Xing Long very close to Beerus (On against Vegeta SSJ2 Enraged).

6.- I have Minus Energy Power Ball at the level of Goku SSJG (Peak).

7.- I have Gotenks SSJ4 a bit inferior to Goku SSJG (Arc FNF).

8.- I have Trunkten SSJ4 very close to Goku Black SSJR (First Zenkai).

9.- I have Gogeta SSJ4 close to the level of Goku SSJ (Arc FNF) at the level of Vegeta SSJB (ToP).

10.- I have Vegetto SSJ4 near Goku SSJG (Arc FNF) or on Jedi Future Trunks (Genkidama).

 

[Captain Cadaver]

1 -2 - Weaker than BoG SSG Goku by some degree due to a lack of Universe level feats, but still obviously far above Z era characters. Maybe around a hypothetical BoG SS3 Vegetto or Initial Beerus via scaling.

3 - 6 - Probably all stronger than BoG SSG Goku given he still needed a few combined clashes with Beerus to destroy Universe 7 as opposed to the Minus Energy Power Ball being able to do so at once should Yi wish. That said, Super Yi Xing Long was able to survive an attack stronger than Gogeta's casual kick that easily negated his ultimate attack and Beyond Limits SS4 Goku (who base Yi Xing Long isn't leagues behind) could had some level of effect on Super Yi Xing Long with his regular punches. They're still all most likely weaker than SSB Kaioken x10 Goku considering Kaioken's linear nature of multiplying all stats.

7 - 10 - Potentially stronger than SSBKKx10 Goku if stretching some of the Perfect Files statements about Gogeta such as being a warrior without limits by GT's standards and being above things such as the Universal Genki Dama or EoGT Goku according to every source prior to Super citing him as the ultimate power, but weaker than Infinite Zamasu as no amount of scaling is enough to overcome the gap between someone who can destroy the universe and someone who can control two space-time continuums at once without feats to back it up.

 

[SIAD]

1 -2 - Weaker than BoG SSG Goku by some degree due to a lack of Universe level feats, but still obviously far above Z era characters. Maybe around a hypothetical BoG SS3 Vegetto or Initial Beerus via scaling.

3 - 6 - Probably all stronger than BoG SSG Goku given he still needed a few combined clashes with Beerus to destroy Universe 7 as opposed to the Minus Energy Power Ball being able to do so at once should Yi wish. That said, Super Yi Xing Long was able to survive an attack stronger than Gogeta's casual kick that easily negated his ultimate attack and Beyond Limits SS4 Goku (who base Yi Xing Long isn't leagues behind) could had some level of effect on Super Yi Xing Long with his regular punches. They're still all most likely weaker than SSB Kaioken x10 Goku considering Kaioken's linear nature of multiplying all stats.

7 - 10 - Potentially stronger than SSBKKx10 Goku if stretching some of the Perfect Files statements about Gogeta such as being a warrior without limits by GT's standards and being above things such as the Universal Genki Dama or EoGT Goku according to every source prior to Super citing him as the ultimate power, but weaker than Infinite Zamasu as no amount of scaling is enough to overcome the gap between someone who can destroy the universe and someone who can control two space-time continuums at once without feats to back it up.

So Yi Xing Long Base is not too far from Goku SSJB (U6 Tournament) and Goku Base (U6 Tournament)> Goku SSJG (Peak)> Super # 17 (Peak)?

Do you think that in Gogeta SSJ4 it can be> Trunkten SSJ4?

And that the gap between Gogeta SSJ4 over Goku SSJ4 (Beyond Limits) is greater than the gap between Gogeta Base (Boo) over Goku Base (Boo)?

 

[SIAD]

@Captain Cadaver

I have 2 questions:

1.- Do you think this is correct?

Gogeta SSJ4 (FP) >>>>>>>> Goku (EoGT) > Genkidama Universal >>>> Gogeta SSJ4 (Suppressed + Big Bang Kamehameha) >> Gogeta SSJ4 (Suppressed deflecting the Minus Energy Power Ball) >>>> Minus Energy Power Ball >> Gogeta SSJ4 (Suppressed / playing with Omega Yi Xing Long) >>>>>>> Omega Yi Xing Long?

2.- Do you think it is possible that Gogeta SSJ4 is 1,000,000 times stronger than Omega Yi Xing Long?

Tal vez su cabello se haya vuelto rojo significa que fue un Super Fusion.

I was even thinking that they have commented that Gogeta SSJ4's Big Bang Kamehameha x100, is equivalent to Gogeta SSJ4 (Big Bang Kamehameha FP).

Does it mean that Gogeta SSJ4 (FP) would be 100 times more powerful than when he launched the Big Bang Kamehameha the first time? And that at the time of splitting Gogeta SSJ4 was going to launch a Big Bang Kamehameha with all its power?

 

[SIAD]

I'm thinking that Goku Base (Post God) should be >> Minus Energy Power Ball.

The clash of attacks between Goku SSJG vs Beerus (Suppressed) was powerful enough to eliminate the entire Universe 7 (Macroverse + Kaioshinkai), you have to consider that part of that impact is received directly by Goku and Beerus.

Then Goku as SSJG fired up again. Goku as SSJ kept that power, then he increased his power again and launched an attack on Beerus. That combined attack between Goku SSJ against Beerus's attack, merged into an energy ball probably even more powerful than the Minus Energy Power Ball and Goku re-ignites at the Base.

Therefore we have Goku Base (Post God)> energy ball (which was the fusion of the attacks between Goku SSJ and Beerus)> Minus Energy Power Ball.

In short, neither Gogeta SSJ4, nor Vegetto SSJ4 compare to characters like Goku SSJB (FNF), nor Golden Freezer, nor etc. Even if they believe that the SSJ multiplier is still 50x, they could not even reach the power of a hypothetical Goku SSJ (FNF).

Characters like Golden Freeza, Goku SSJB (FNF), Vegetto SSJ4, Gogeta SSJ4 are at the High Universe level.

As for Beerus (Initial) and Vegeta SSJ2 (Enraged), they should be at least on the level of Goku SSJ4 (Beyond Limits), considering that in the Arc BoG, both Goku and Vegeta SSJ2 had surpassed Ultimate Gohan. Goku when considering Vegetto SSJ3 a better option, instead of Gokhan SSJ3, makes me think that the multiplier of Fusion and SSJ was not nerfed for Vegetto in BoG. Therefore Vegeta SSJ2 (Enraged) and Beerus (Initial) are> Vegetto SSJ3 (BoG) >>>>>>>> Goku SSJ4 (FP) >>> Vegetto SSJ3 (Boo).

 

[GreatSaiyaman123]

3 - 6 - Probably all stronger than BoG SSG Goku given he still needed a few combined clashes with Beerus to destroy Universe 7 as opposed to the Minus Energy Power Ball being able to do so at once should Yi wish. That said, Super Yi Xing Long was able to survive an attack stronger than Gogeta's casual kick that easily negated his ultimate attack and Beyond Limits SS4 Goku (who base Yi Xing Long isn't leagues behind) could had some level of effect on Super Yi Xing Long with his regular punches. They're still all most likely weaker than SSB Kaioken x10 Goku considering Kaioken's linear nature of multiplying all stats.

Wasn’t Yi destroying the universe only capable by Super Yi Xing Long? BL SSJ4 Goku and Base Yi should probably be in the same tier as Initial SSJ4 Goku.

 

[Captain Cadaver]

Wasn’t Yi destroying the universe only capable by Super Yi Xing Long? BL SSJ4 Goku and Base Yi should probably be in the same tier as Initial SSJ4 Goku.

Super Yi Xing Long also noted that he felt Goku's attack after Beyond Limits SS4 Goku (who was fatigued at this point as noted by Trunks) launched a bunch of melee hits on him, so the latter isn't too far off from the former's destructive capability.

Episode 61
Time: 8m10s
Subject: Goku’s headbutt
Yi Xing Long: “So that’s it. That one hurt a little.”

 

[SIAD]

1 -2 - Weaker than BoG SSG Goku by some degree due to a lack of Universe level feats, but still obviously far above Z era characters. Maybe around a hypothetical BoG SS3 Vegetto or Initial Beerus via scaling.

3 - 6 - Probably all stronger than BoG SSG Goku given he still needed a few combined clashes with Beerus to destroy Universe 7 as opposed to the Minus Energy Power Ball being able to do so at once should Yi wish. That said, Super Yi Xing Long was able to survive an attack stronger than Gogeta's casual kick that easily negated his ultimate attack and Beyond Limits SS4 Goku (who base Yi Xing Long isn't leagues behind) could had some level of effect on Super Yi Xing Long with his regular punches. They're still all most likely weaker than SSB Kaioken x10 Goku considering Kaioken's linear nature of multiplying all stats.

7 - 10 - Potentially stronger than SSBKKx10 Goku if stretching some of the Perfect Files statements about Gogeta such as being a warrior without limits by GT's standards and being above things such as the Universal Genki Dama or EoGT Goku according to every source prior to Super citing him as the ultimate power, but weaker than Infinite Zamasu as no amount of scaling is enough to overcome the gap between someone who can destroy the universe and someone who can control two space-time continuums at once without feats to back it up.

Look @Spiral-Force @GreatSaiyaman123

 

[GreatSaiyaman123]

A lot of people use this scaling, but I no longer agree with it.

I think SSJG Goku should be the same in all mediums. They’re all the same character, in the same story with the same power up. The anime.

But when it comes to being universal, GT also has it’s own feats. Base Goku shakes the whole Afterlife by powering up. I don’t know how strong this is, but I assume it’s comparable to destroying the universe as collateral damage.

 

[Spiral-Force]

1-4 would all be useful assets within the Tournament of Power, handling skirmishes with average fighters and providing good back up for the top dogs.

5-8 ought to gain some props and intrigue from the likes of Beerus, and arouse attention from the elite of the ToP.

9-10 may potentially be able to tango with the best mortals within the different verses, and be in the conversation of mortals that compare to Gods.

 

[GreatSaiyaman123]

SSJ4 Goku (FP) = SSJB Goku/Vegeta (U6)

Super 17 (Peak) = SSJR Goku Black (Initial)

Yi Xing Long Base = SSJRage Future Trunks

SSJ4 Goku (Beyond limits) > SSJRage Trunks

Omega Yi Xing Long > SSJR Goku Black (Peak)

SSJ4 Fusions ~ SSJB Vegetto/Merged Zamasu