How I view common misconceptions

[kriss-]

Gotenks SSj Pre is stated to be stronger than Goku.
● It was based on a false pretense.
Gotenks SSj Pre is stated to be greater than Innocent Boo.
● He is predicted to be, but he is never confirmed to be.
Piccolo doesn’t doubt his power.
● He never says that it’s enough. Power does not scale with speed.
Gotenks SSj Post surpassed his previous Super Saiyan self.
● Piccolo immediately retracts his statement.
Goku said Super Boo is stronger than himself and Vegeta.
● Goku was trying to fuse with Vegeta.

 

[Six Trails]

Goku said Super Boo is stronger than himself and Vegeta.
● Goku was trying to fuse with Vegeta.

Trying to fuse with Vegeta...because without fusing, he would lose...

 

[kriss-]

Goku said Super Boo is stronger than himself and Vegeta.
● Goku was trying to fuse with Vegeta.

Trying to fuse with Vegeta...because without fusing, he would lose...

I'm not going to sit here and argue with you and turn everything into a flame war. I stated my opinion on certain subjects, take it or leave it.

 

[Six Trails]

I never intended to start a flame war. You're free to share you opinions, but if you're going to be arrogant enough to label the opposing viewpoint as a "misconception", then expect people to argue against your claims.

 

[SSJ2]

Point 3 - why wouldn't Piccolo say anything if Gotenks was so weak? He had no problem telling Base Gotenks that he was trash.

 

[Evil Vegeta]

Goku wanted to merge if they couldn't get him down to Fat Boo. They were unable to revert him to Fat Boo, so they still required fusion to beat Super Boo. The fact that it's later confirmed Super Saiyan 3 Goku would've been enough to beat Fat Boo gives merit to that reasoning.

The Gotenks stuff really isn't an issue, either. Base Gotenks is flat-out stated to be too weak for Fat Boo, whereas Super Saiyan Gotenks isn't. Piccolo is the same character that calls it as he sees it. If Super Saiyan Gotenks was just as outmatched as Base Gotenks, there would've been no reason why this also wouldn't have been stated. That's my two cents.

 

[ahill1]

Yeah, Piccolo said Gotenks' power was REALLY incredible, like he already had any expectation of his power and such expectation was confirmed when they fused. He questioned his speed, but later after Gotenks demonstration of his incredible speed, we got a response: his speed wasn't the issue either. The only issue was that Boo became even more powerful after getting his bad self in the control.

Goku stated him and Vegeta were no match for Super Boo without fusing. Super Boo > SSJ3 Goku, simple.

 

[ahill1]

Yeah, Piccolo said Gotenks' power was REALLY incredible, like he already had any expectation of his power and such expectation was confirmed when they fused. He questioned his speed, but later after Gotenks demonstration of his incredible speed, we got a response: his speed wasn't the issue either. The only issue was that Boo became even more powerful after getting his bad self in the control.

Goku stated him and Vegeta were no match for Super Boo without fusing. Super Boo > SSJ3 Goku, simple.

 

[Future Warrior]

They aren't misconceptions though

 

[Papasmurf]

A common misconception is that Tosh's threads aren't a waste of time

 

[Let's Go Fearless!]

Goku > Gohan is fact.

 

[withheldforprivacy]

After having studied the subject for a really long time, i have concluded FPSSJ3 is the only theory that explains Goku's superiority
without illogically pretending that the statements of fusion saga do not exist. That's why i go with...

SSJ3 Goku (little effort)~ Fat Buu~ SSJ Gotenks pre< Base Gotenks post< SSJ Gotenks post< Kid Buu~ SSJ3 Goku< Super Buu~ SSJ3 Gotenks< Ultimate
Gohan< FPSSJ3 Goku

 

[Fantastische Hure]

After having studied the subject for a really long time, i have concluded FPSSJ3 is the only theory that explains Goku's superiority
without illogically pretending that the statements of fusion saga do not exist. That's why i go with...

SSJ3 Goku (little effort)~ Fat Buu~ SSJ Gotenks pre< Base Gotenks post< SSJ Gotenks post< Kid Buu~ SSJ3 Goku< Super Buu~ SSJ3 Gotenks< Ultimate
Gohan< FPSSJ3 Goku

 

[withheldforprivacy]

Why? Goku said he needed to gather energy for one minute. That explains why he didn't count on his SSJ3 to beat Super Buu. I know back
then whether he meant increasing his power or preparing a blast was vague, but, in retcon (BOG and after), we can conclude he meant power.

 

[Fantastische Hure]

Why? Goku said he needed to gather energy for one minute. That explains why he didn't count on his SSJ3 to beat Super Buu. I know back
then whether he meant increasing his power or preparing a blast was vague, but, in retcon (BOG and after), we can conclude he meant power.

If you have a multiplier and seriously do believe it, how high is your Super-Saiyan 3 multiplier than?

It just seems to crazy. Does that mean SSj2 Goku & Majin Vegeta > SSj2 Gotenks, too?

EDIT: mis-read some of ur post

plz don't mind the last q.

 

[Evil Vegeta]

Goku was at full-power when he fought Kid Boo. It's natural that he wouldn't be at 100% mid-way during the battle. Goku needed to power-up again to get to full-power and use all of his Chi to completely wipe Kid Boo out.

There is no "Full-Power Super Saiyan 3 Goku" level. Only Super Saiyan 3 Goku fighting at full-power.

 

[withheldforprivacy]

Goku was at full-power when he fought Kid Boo. It's natural that he wouldn't be at 100% mid-way during the battle. Goku needed to power-up again to get to full-power and use all of his Chi to completely wipe Kid Boo out.

There is no "Full-Power Super Saiyan 3 Goku" level. Only Super Saiyan 3 Goku fighting at full-power.

If DBZ had ended there, i'd have no reason to disagree. But, with the new material, we can say that, in retcon, that stuff that was stated about
Goku having to power up for one minute referred to some unseen FPSSJ3.

 

[Evil Vegeta]

He was trying to power-up to gain enough power to wipe Kid Boo out.

 

[withheldforprivacy]

As i said, i think that was retconned. It's the best explanation, unless you want to consider the new material never happened (i see no problem
if that's what you want; AT seems to have lost his touch).

 

[Evil Vegeta]

The new material doesn't really change anything, though. The same guy that called Goku #1 back in the Boo saga repeated it in Super.

The same guy says he can't sit around and let Goku leave him in the dust, so he starts training.

The same guy says Goku is the "Strongest Saiyan", but he won't allow himself to remain #2 forever.

Vegeta>Gohan and Gotenks in the Boo saga? Or do we just look at the context and figure that Vegeta is focused on his rivalry with Goku and no one else?