How much did Freeza's power increase when he powered up in his 2nd form?
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There's no logical way to account for the increases as they're implied to be in the manga and the power levels given in the source books.
The increases between initial form 2 freeza, piccolo, powered up freeza, piccolo without weights, form 3 freeza, vegeta, initial goku etc, just don't fit.
The increases between initial form 2 freeza, piccolo, powered up freeza, piccolo without weights, form 3 freeza, vegeta, initial goku etc, just don't fit.
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That's definitely not a small power up. What you even think it should be? 2x?
No, but I don't think one would bother powering up for less than 1.2x-1.25x an increase, so maybe it should be 1.3 mil.
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2x, it's not that hard imagining Toriyamas intent for it.
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1.4x seems logical, everyone was frightened by his power up, and then when he got serious in 2nd form Vegeta was shitting his pants and openly said his power is limitless. Between that and the additional increases from transforming twice, the 3x gap between initial 2nd form Freeza and post-Zenkai base Galu seems too small.
Ofc there's wiggle room if you use Galu being under 17K and getting his ass whooped by initial Vegeta who's not even 18K, or some of the other relatively tiny gaps in the series, but it just seems like forcibly shrinking gaps to fit numbers not written by AT rather than freely coming up with conclusions based on what the manga itself presents us.
It's the same thing with having to work with the extremely small 2x SSJ multiplier for SSJ2, really. Grade 2 and 3 have to be far smaller boosts than what they're shown to be in the manga (initial Perfect form Cell being able to rapestomp Grade 2 Vegeta only to be stated to be weaker than Grade 3 Trunks by a large margin, Grade 2 seeming to be a bigger boost than Cell going full power in 2nd form which is stated to be quite a difference). AT did not even remember what SSJ2 is by the time he came up with those multipliers for the SEG, so there's no way he put any real thought into the numbers. Ofc since he's the creator he can say Boo came from strawberry flavored ice cream land where smoke is used to build pyramids and we'd have to abide by his word.
Ofc there's wiggle room if you use Galu being under 17K and getting his ass whooped by initial Vegeta who's not even 18K, or some of the other relatively tiny gaps in the series, but it just seems like forcibly shrinking gaps to fit numbers not written by AT rather than freely coming up with conclusions based on what the manga itself presents us.
It's the same thing with having to work with the extremely small 2x SSJ multiplier for SSJ2, really. Grade 2 and 3 have to be far smaller boosts than what they're shown to be in the manga (initial Perfect form Cell being able to rapestomp Grade 2 Vegeta only to be stated to be weaker than Grade 3 Trunks by a large margin, Grade 2 seeming to be a bigger boost than Cell going full power in 2nd form which is stated to be quite a difference). AT did not even remember what SSJ2 is by the time he came up with those multipliers for the SEG, so there's no way he put any real thought into the numbers. Ofc since he's the creator he can say Boo came from strawberry flavored ice cream land where smoke is used to build pyramids and we'd have to abide by his word.
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I have it at exactly 1,000,000, and then he powers up to 1,100,000 to show the Z Fighters he's actually over 1,000,000.
I have Piccolo initially at 1,200,000, and then Freeza powers up to full power at 1,400,000. After that, unweighted Piccolo is at 1,500,000.
I have Piccolo initially at 1,200,000, and then Freeza powers up to full power at 1,400,000. After that, unweighted Piccolo is at 1,500,000.
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How is it forcibly shrinked if the numbers in the manga suggest small gaps are enough?
Or maybe 1.060.000 was his full power in that form.
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Because when going from initial Nappa (3-4K) to just Kaio-ken Goku we're talking a jump of over 4 times, with a similar if not lower number of benchmarks in between compared to 2nd form Freeza's jump to his 4th form power against base Galu. I never said the gaps couldn't work, but then the Daizenshuu/WSJ levels show retarded logic in having Freeza almost 1.3x weaker than SSJ Goku as well as the Saibamen rivaling Raditz's 1500 official power at only 1200.
