How much stronger did Goku get between the U6 tournament and the ToP?

[GreatSaiyaman123]

In the Copy Vegeta Saga he and Vegeta already talk about getting stronger since the tournament. After several tough battles with Zamasu it's natural he'd grow stronger than ever, but in the filler episodes he shown to not be training as much, and claims to be rusty before the ToP.

I think the best way is comparing Goku to Hit. After the Zamasu Saga he can fight a improved Hit without Kaio-Ken now. Is this a >10x increase? In the ToP Hit shows that without his time abilities he can barely do any different than SSJG Goku against Dyspo, even though he was holding his own with SSJB Goku in the first tournament. So we're up to a 50x increase now?

 

[Natasha Romanoff]

Goku vs Hit rematch makes clear that Goku grow strong enough that he didn't felt pressured or in need to use Kaioken against an much stronger Hit, this doesn't make sense unless Goku has grown stronger than his prior Kaioken x10 level while just being in his regular Blue form.

Goku performed way better than initial Hit against Dyspo in 104, Hit wasn't able to observe Dyspo's movements initially, which makes him believe that he was using his TS on him and got speedblitzed quite badly until he regained posture and adapt to his speed. Goku also showed to be better in this episode that Hit in general who also grown stronger at the end of it on his own words..

If SSj Blue really increases x50 SsjG, then Goku went many more times than that, even though, I don't follow this concept.

 

[Animelover5487]

Hit (Episode 104) = SSJB Goku (Episode 104) > SSJB Goku (Zenkai vs Merged Zamasu) > SSJR Black (Scythe) >> U6 arc KKx10 Blue Goku >= ToP Hit


So we'll over 10x. Likely 20x stronger.

 

[Natasha Romanoff]

Hit (Episode 104) = SSJB Goku (Episode 104) > SSJB Goku (Zenkai vs Merged Zamasu) > SSJR Black (Scythe) >> U6 arc KKx10 Blue Goku >= ToP Hit


So we'll over 10x. Likely 20x stronger.

Hit was weaker than Ssj Blue Goku in Episode 104, considering that he didn't walk through that mines whereas Ssj Blue Goku did it without a second thought and came out unscratched.

I don't think Goku surpassed Goku Black without Kaioken in the Goku Black Saga, considering that Goku Black being the strongest non Fused/non God character wasn't retconned even after the arc concluded. Neither I consider Goku Black being stronger than either Kaioken x10 Goku or Hit of the Champa arc (even then, at least I have my doubts).

Also, aren't you refering to Champa arc Hit rather than TOP Hit when you put him below Kaioken x10 Goku from Champa arc?

 

[Animelover5487]

Hit was weaker than Ssj Blue Goku in Episode 104, considering that he didn't walk through that mines whereas Ssj Blue Goku did it without a second thought and came out unscratched.

I don't think Goku surpassed Goku Black without Kaioken in the Goku Black Saga, considering that Goku Black being the strongest non Fused/non God character wasn't retconned even after the arc concluded. Neither I consider Goku Black being stronger than either Kaioken x10 Goku or Hit of the Champa arc (even then, at least I have my doubts).

Also, aren't you refering to Champa arc Hit rather than TOP Hit when you put him below Kaioken x10 Goku from Champa arc?

I meant that Blue Goku was equal to the Hit from the mini filler arc.

Goku had to have surpassed by Black by the end of the arc since he was able to overpower Merged Zamasu's full powered blast with his KHH. He likely got a mid battle zenkai, which we know is a thing in Super as SSJBE Vegeta went from being on the receiving end of being stomped by God Toppo to the giving end of the stomp, and Black's whole stchtick in the anime was getting stronger as he fought powerful opponents.

Oh yes, I was referring to Champa arc Hit being below KKx10 Goku, my mistake

 

[Natasha Romanoff]

I meant that Blue Goku was equal to the Hit from the mini filler arc.

Goku had to have surpassed by Black by the end of the arc since he was able to overpower Merged Zamasu's full powered blast with his KHH. He likely got a mid battle zenkai, which we know is a thing in Super as SSJBE Vegeta went from being on the receiving end of being stomped by God Toppo to the giving end of the stomp, and Black's whole stchtick in the anime was getting stronger as he fought powerful opponents.

I have Hit stronger than Goku in the Hit mini arc due to Goku considering that Hit is always one step ahead of him, as well as Vados implying that Hit is going easy on Goku.

Hmmm... interesting, but I have to say that I have to rewatch Episodes 65 & 66 from Super to have a better notion.

 

[Goku9001]

What complicates things is that Hit required Time Skip in addition to his other abilities to compete with Blue Goku so Super Saiyan God Goku demonstrating superior physical feats to Hit isn't enough to convince me that Blue Goku had become 50x stronger since his rematch with Hit.

Naturally, Gowasu watched Goku's battle with Hit on GodTube. Thus, he witnessed what Hit was capable of at his peak on top of KKx10 Blue Goku's power during the U6 Tournament. Gowasu concluded that Goku Black was the strongest fighter he's encountered which means that SSJR Goku Black at his highest power at least surpassed KKx10 Blue Goku. Blue Goku and Blue Vegeta then went off to demonstrate far greater power when they managed to push Merged Zamasu back according to Episode 66's narrator.

For that to be the case, I would think Blue Goku was at least 50x stronger than he was at te U6 Tournament.

 

[Papasmurf]

Insane inflation. Although, I think based on Zamasu's surprise when Goku used Kaio-ken against him in the final fight that he and Gowasu may not have watched the KKx10 part of the fight.

 

[Animelover5487]

Insane inflation. Although, I think based on Zamasu's surprise when Goku used Kaio-ken against him in the final fight that he and Gowasu may not have watched the KKx10 part of the fight.

Zamasu was just surprised by Goku and the other Saiyans repeatedly getting the best of him.