How powerful are Kibito and Shin in DBS?

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How powerful are Kibito and Shin in DBS?

Some say that they have the same power as before they merged into Kibitoshin.


Others say that each of them kept half of Kibitoshin's power.

Others say that they have the same power as before fusing into Kibitoshin, but Kibito trained and reached a level where he rivals Present Zamasu.

Which option do you think is correct?

How powerful are Shin and Kibito (Post Fusion)?

How powerful is Kibito (Arc Zamasu)?

And another question, is Present Zamasu (Suppresed vs Kibito) fighting at Kibito's level, but only because of Zamasu's telekinesis was he able to win the match?
 
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Shin is probably still piss weak. Barely stronger than in Z if that.

Kibito is SSjin 3 level though. :troll

In seriousness I'd put Kibito about on the same level as Frost.
 

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Shin is probably still piss weak. Barely stronger than in Z if that.

Kibito is SSjin 3 level though. :troll

In seriousness I'd put Kibito about on the same level as Frost.
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How powerful would you have Shin (Current)

At what point did Kibito get stronger?

Present Zamasu was suppressed against Kibito?

Kibito is more powerful than Shin?
 

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@Kenshi

How powerful would you have Shin (Current)

At what point did Kibito get stronger?

Present Zamasu was suppressed against Kibito?

Kibito is more powerful than Shin?
Yeah I'd say Kibito is very solidly the stronger of the two. I don't think Present Zamasu held back THAT much.
 

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Yeah I'd say Kibito is very solidly the stronger of the two. I don't think Present Zamasu held back THAT much.
Do you even think it's possible that Kibito is more powerful than all the Kaioshins of the 12 Universes?

At what point did Kibito get so strong?
 

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Kibito didn't get stronger. Zamasu destroyed him in their match. Kibito was struggling with veins in his face while Zamasu was casual the whole time and beat him quite convincingly. I don't see why people think it was a close fight.
 

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Kibito didn't get stronger. Zamasu destroyed him in their match. Kibito was struggling with veins in his face while Zamasu was casual the whole time and beat him quite convincingly. I don't see why people think it was a close fight.
He caught Zamasu in his telekinesis at one point and Zamasu had no monologue or anything indicating he thought Kibito was a lightweight, even assuming he was flattering him to be nice.
 

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Kibito didn't get stronger. Zamasu destroyed him in their match. Kibito was struggling with veins in his face while Zamasu was casual the whole time and beat him quite convincingly. I don't see why people think it was a close fight.
Do you think Present Zamasu (Suppressed against Kibito) = Kibito?

Only thanks to Zamasu's telekinesis did he win in his suppressed state?
 

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He caught Zamasu in his telekinesis at one point and Zamasu had no monologue or anything indicating he thought Kibito was a lightweight, even assuming he was flattering him to be nice.
Zamasu got out of his telekinesis really quick and deliberately held back what could have been a killing blow.

Compare Kibito's expression throughout the fight to Zamasu's. The former has a strained, stressful look while Zamasu is very casual, he didn't even use his signature ki blade, which again would have almost certainly one shot killed Kibito.
 

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Zamasu got out of his telekinesis really quick and deliberately held back what could have been a killing blow.

Compare Kibito's expression throughout the fight to Zamasu's. The former has a strained, stressful look while Zamasu is very casual, he didn't even use his signature ki blade, which again would have almost certainly one shot killed Kibito.
Zamasu literally oneshotted Shin, Kibito's fight with him was close by comparison
 

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Zamasu literally oneshotted Shin, Kibito's fight with him was close by comparison
Shin was an enemy. Kibito at the time was a respectful fellow Kai to Zamasu so Zamasu wasn't going to just humiliate him.

I am sure if Kibito was stronger than Shin or other gods Gowasu would have praised him as well.
 

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Shin was an enemy. Kibito at the time was a respectful fellow Kai to Zamasu so Zamasu wasn't going to just humiliate him.

I am sure if Kibito was stronger than Shin or other gods Gowasu would have praised him as well.
Zamasu > Gowasu and South Kaioshin > Fat Kaioshin (post-Moro). It's hardly unheard of.
 

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@Kenshi So Kibito is more or less at the level of Goku SSJ (Arc Zamasu)? At what point in the series did Kibito become so powerful?
 

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If we want to take these feats seriously, then Kaioshin survived a serious beating from Future Zamasu.

Kibito was just doing a friendly sparring and he got dominated. There’s no case for him whatsoever.
 

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If we want to take these feats seriously, then Kaioshin survived a serious beating from Future Zamasu.

Kibito was just doing a friendly sparring and he got dominated. There’s no case for him whatsoever.
And what gap do you have between Present Zamasu (Suppressed against Kibito) over Kibito?
 

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Zamasu > Gowasu and South Kaioshin > Fat Kaioshin (post-Moro). It's hardly unheard of.
Except everybody you just named were stated to be prodigies, and in the South Kaioshin and Grand Kaioshin case like you said the Grand Kaioshin lost a lot of his power after defeating Moro in the past.

The whole fight is just basically struggling and getting owned anyway by a casual Zamasu.
 

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Except everybody you just named were stated to be prodigies, and in the South Kaioshin and Grand Kaioshin case like you said the Grand Kaioshin lost a lot of his power after defeating Moro in the past.

The whole fight is just basically struggling and getting owned anyway by a casual Zamasu.
Zamasu was caught by surprise with Kibito's telekinesis and flung away with it, Kibito definitely isn't below Boo saga base Gohan here.
 

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Zamasu was caught by surprise with Kibito's telekinesis and flung away with it, Kibito definitely isn't below Boo saga base Gohan here.
Kibito has telekinesis?
 

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