How powerful is Gogeta SSJ4 (DBGT)?

[SIAD]

In one of the guides he talks about how Gogeta SSJ4 has unlimited power and that he surpasses any character, even from any alternate dimension. Since DBGT was broadcast before DBS, I will ignore everything related to DBS.

All this makes me think the following speculations:

1.-) Gogeta SSJ4 surpasses all DBGT (except Vegetto SSJ4), he even surpasses a hypothetical Trunkten SSJ4. Remember that Vegeta asked Gohan, Trunks and Goten in DBGT Episode 63 to train so that one day they can defeat Omega Yi Xing Long, which means that Gohan/Trunks/Goten SSJ4 are much more powerful than the SSJ4 of their respective parents.

2.-) We can even go further and assume that Gogeta SSJ4 is more powerful than a hypothetical fusion of a Goku after training for many decades, after having absorbed the Dragon Balls. That same Goku fused with Gohan or Trunks or Goten SSJ4.

3.-) We can even go even further and assume that Gogeta SSJ4 is superior to hypothetical fusions such as Trunkten SSJ4 fused with another Fusion of fusions with the Potala Arcillos among other SSJ4.

The only limit of Gogeta SSJ4 and therefore Vegetto SSJ4 (DBGT), is that both are in the 3-dimensional plane and therefore, they do not scale to levels like Infiniti Zamasu, God Toppo, etc.

Which of the 3 speculations I have, do you think is correct?

 

[Papasmurf]

I think comparing him to other fusions is speculative since we're by nature excluding SSJ4/beyond limits SSJ4 Vegetto, but since it's Toei I would bet just the fact that he's a Goku/Vegeta fusion puts him above other SSJ4 fusions by default.

Gogeta's performance against Super Yi Xing Long in GT seems similar to how his Limit Breaker self dominated Xeno Yi Xing Long so I think his Big Bang Kamehameha has the power to swallow a Minus Energy Power Ball and obliterate Yi Xing Long if he put his full power into it. I wouldn't go so far as to say he can destroy all of Universe 7 in one shot as that has no basis, and Yi Xing Long still had tons of negative energy left to create blasts with after he shot the MEPB.

 

[SIAD]

I think comparing him to other fusions is speculative since we're by nature excluding SSJ4/beyond limits SSJ4 Vegetto, but since it's Toei I would bet just the fact that he's a Goku/Vegeta fusion puts him above other SSJ4 fusions by default.

Gogeta's performance against Super Yi Xing Long in GT seems similar to how his Limit Breaker self dominated Xeno Yi Xing Long so I think his Big Bang Kamehameha has the power to swallow a Minus Energy Power Ball and obliterate Yi Xing Long if he put his full power into it. I wouldn't go so far as to say he can destroy all of Universe 7 in one shot as that has no basis, and Yi Xing Long still had tons of negative energy left to create blasts with after he shot the MEPB.

@Kenshi

And what would be the least powerful DBS character capable of defeating Gogeta SSJ4 (DBGT)?

 

[Papasmurf]

@Kenshi

And what would be the least powerful DBS character capable of defeating Gogeta SSJ4 (DBGT)?

It's pretty hard to say honestly since DBS power chains are so fucked and often times official stuff like those power level stickers lowball characters like Orange Piccolo and Beast Gohan significantly, yet they seem to more or less adhere to modern DB logic like having Vegetto/Gogeta above Broly who is above Kefla etc.

Just based on feats though, I'd say SSJBKKx10 Goku (U6) at the lowest, someplace in the Zamasu arc at the highest. I don't think Gogeta can hold a candle to Infinite Zamasu.

 

[Spiral-Force]

Universal to High Universal would be a suitable range for GT Gogeta. 4D or above would be uncalled for though.

 

[SIAD]

Universal to High Universal would be a suitable range for GT Gogeta. 4D or above would be uncalled for though.

Gogeta SSJ4 how strong is he compared to DBS Characters? Who is the least powerful DBS character that surpasses Gogeta SSJ4?

 

[Spiral-Force]

Gogeta SSJ4 how strong is he compared to DBS Characters? Who is the least powerful DBS character that surpasses Gogeta SSJ4?

It's quite a nuanced subject. Check out my post in the other thread.

 

[SIAD]

It's quite a nuanced subject. Check out my post in the other thread.

So: Merged Zamasu (Initial)> Gogeta SSJ4? Or Infiniti Zamasu > Gogeta SSJ4?

 

[Spiral-Force]

So: Merged Zamasu (Initial)> Gogeta SSJ4? Or Infiniti Zamasu > Gogeta SSJ4?

The first chain is possible. One way to think about it is the meta analysis of Godly ki compared to normal ki; particularly Beerus' perspective of the latter being inferior. Then of course there's the matter of looking at feats. In both of these areas, it brings God Goku (BoG Saga) into the conversation as a potential candidate of being > Gogeta, and that Goku is a far cry from Merged Zamasu. Alternatively, you may take Beerus' statement as speaking purely from his own experience, and place Gogeta up there with characters higher on the Universal scale, but below those that can eliminate a timeline.

The second chain is fine. Infinite Zamasu's threat to space-time continuums scales him higher. It took a Multiversal being to clean up that mess.

@SIAD Can you post the quote about Gogeta's infinite power? Just want to take a look at the statement and source.

 

[SIAD]

The first chain is possible. One way to think about it is the meta analysis of Godly ki compared to normal ki; particularly Beerus' perspective of the latter being inferior. Then of course there's the matter of looking at feats. In both of these areas, it brings God Goku (BoG Saga) into the conversation as a potential candidate of being > Gogeta, and that Goku is a far cry from Merged Zamasu. Alternatively, you may take Beerus' statement as speaking purely from his own experience, and place Gogeta up there with characters higher on the Universal scale, but below those that can eliminate a timeline.

The second chain is fine. Infinite Zamasu's threat to space-time continuums scales him higher. It took a Multiversal being to clean up that mess.

@SIAD Can you post the quote about Gogeta's infinite power? Just want to take a look at the statement and source.

I also have the same doubt with the infinite power of Gogeta SSJ4. I only remember that CC mentioned that somewhere it is mentioned that Gogeta SSJ4's power exceeds the level of all dimensions (before DBS appeared).

Maybe Gogeta SSJ4 does not have a fixed multiplier, he simply has an Infinite power, within 3D, which would mean that as much as Gogeta SSJ4 and Vegetto SSJ4, they would be inferior to Infinity Zamasu.

Or even, maybe: Infinity Zamasu > "Infinite" power within 3D = Vegetto SSJ4 (Big Bang Kamehameha x100) >>>>>>>>>> Vegetto SSJ4 > Gogeta SSJ4 >>>> Goku (EoZ) > > Universal Spirit Bomb > Gogeta SSJ4 (Big Bang Kamehameha heavily suppressed) > Gogeta SSJ4 (Suppressed Kick) >>>> Omega Yi Xing Long (Minus Energy Power Ball) > Gogeta SSJ4 (absolutely suppressed) >>>> Omega Yi Xing Long.

Perhaps that of Gogeta SSJ4 is dozens of times more powerful than Goku SSJ4, it refers to his absolutely suppressed form. Practically the power of Gogeta SSJ4 may not have a fixed multiplier, it is simply an almost infinite power that is established.

@Kenshi
@Animelover5487
@GreatSaiyaman123

Could you help us in this debate?

 

[GreatSaiyaman123]

Can’t find anything about Gogeta, but the GT Perfect Files say Super Saiyans have infinite power. It’s clearly not meant to be taken literally.

 

[Spiral-Force]

It's better for people to post actual quotes instead of paraphrasing.

@SIAD Tiering-wise, we know what range he falls into at bare minimum, and can deduce the possible heights of his power. That ought to give you a good idea of a ballpark estimate.

Given that Gogeta's presense was brief and that he was never in real danger, pursuing his exact power level would somewhat come down to your own judgement if that's what matters to you.