How strong are Dai Kaioshin and South Kaioshin?

[SIAD]

How strong are the 2 in each stage of your life?

  How strong were they 2 10,000,000 years ago?

How strong were they 5,000,000 years ago?

  How strong was Mr. Boo before he was hypnotized?

  How strong is Mr. Boo (Current)?

  Please mention more or less how strong they are, always having a character as a point of reference.

 

[Captain Cadaver]

How strong were they 2 10,000,000 years ago?

South Kaioshin ought to be as strong as himself when he fought Boo, given it's never implied he was able to become any stronger since fighting Moro. I'd say that South Kaioshin Boo = Pure Boo + South Kaioshin in power, which via-scaling would have me place South Kaioshin in between Evil Boo and SS3 Gotenks.
Dai Kaioshin would probably be stronger than SK given his better performance against Moro. With Moro having referred to Current Boo as having gotten weaker than last time, Dai Kaioshin with God Ki should be above Current Boo by some degree.

How strong were they 5,000,000 years ago?

South Kaioshin - Same as before.
Dai Kaioshin - Probably at least equal to Good Boo, given how he comprises that Boo's very existence. He could be far stronger though when considering his consciousness in Boo wasn't active until the current arc, though he'd likely be weaker than Pure Boo or at best slightly below South Kaioshin.

How strong was Mr. Boo before he was hypnotized?

Same as he'd been throughout his previous appearances, given he's not implied to have gotten any stronger since the Boo Arc.

How strong is Mr. Boo (Current)?

Significantly below PSSB tier, though far above SSG tier. I'd say he ought to be at the top of SSB tier, comparable to the likes of fatigued Base Vegetto or closing in on the weakest of PSSB tier such as initial LSSJ Kale.

 

[Keedounan]

Quite strong.

Good Boo unlocked the hidden power of the Dai Kaioshin inside him thanks to the Galactic Patrol re-awakening his memories. It allowed him to quite easily pummel Moro, after the latter overwhelmed SSJG Vegeta, absorbed SSJB Vegeta's energy, and absorbed even more energy for 3 days. And that isn't even Dai Kaioshin's full power, as he was already weakened from sealing Moro and Kid Boo retaining most of his remaining Godly Power inside him.

All this should make Dai Kaioshin much more powerful than SSJB Goku and SSJB Vegeta. However, in any case, he should still be weaker than their PSSJB forms even at his peak, since both Goku and Vegeta think they can beat Moro, and even the latter resorted to his third wish as a countermeasure for their strength (something he didn't need to do against either South or Dai Kaioshin).

As for South Kaioshin, he's probably still stronger than Dai Kaioshin even after the retcon, at least after the latter sealed away Moro's magic, as they weren't implied to be tiers apart from each other. Shin is a young Kaioshin that may not have been around while Moro was wrecking havoc, so he might not have been aware of Dai Kaioshin's peak.

All in all, I have both of them at SSJB-tier, if not at the peak of the tier, regardless of time period. And before you ask, I don't have any power levels as a reference. I don't do them anymore.

 

[Captain Cadaver]

[mention]Keedounan[/mention] Wouldn't South Kaioshin being SSB tier be a major inconsistency for the Boo Arc? After all, Goku didn't imply a Boo that was comprised of SK and Pure Boo to be vastly stronger than Evil Boo and it's not as though God Ki would make sensing off when considering that if that was a factor, Goku wouldn't sense Boo's Ki at all.
Only way I could see SK being on such a tier is if we were to assume the adverse effect absorbing Kaioshins has on Boo made it so he couldn't fully access his strength, but given how Shin never implies this, we'd just be rewriting the story to avoid a major plot hole.

I wouldn't say the evidence for SK being on the same level as God Ki Dai Kaioshin is strong enough to warrant such retconning anyway. He didn't really do much throughout the battle compared to Dai Kaioshin, who was actively repelling Moro's projectile attacks. The only thing in favour of his strength was surviving Moro's lightning-esque Ki wave, though it's difficult to say if Moro even put much effort into the attack or if he even had the intent to (it seemed more like just a flaring of his aura that had a malicious aftereffect to those nearby).

 

[SIAD]

How strong were they 2 10,000,000 years ago?

South Kaioshin ought to be as strong as himself when he fought Boo, given it's never implied he was able to become any stronger since fighting Moro. I'd say that South Kaioshin Boo = Pure Boo + South Kaioshin in power, which via-scaling would have me place South Kaioshin in between Evil Boo and SS3 Gotenks.
Dai Kaioshin would probably be stronger than SK given his better performance against Moro. With Moro having referred to Current Boo as having gotten weaker than last time, Dai Kaioshin with God Ki should be above Current Boo by some degree.

How strong were they 5,000,000 years ago?

South Kaioshin - Same as before.
Dai Kaioshin - Probably at least equal to Good Boo, given how he comprises that Boo's very existence. He could be far stronger though when considering his consciousness in Boo wasn't active until the current arc, though he'd likely be weaker than Pure Boo or at best slightly below South Kaioshin.

How strong was Mr. Boo before he was hypnotized?

Same as he'd been throughout his previous appearances, given he's not implied to have gotten any stronger since the Boo Arc.

How strong is Mr. Boo (Current)?

Significantly below PSSB tier, though far above SSG tier. I'd say he ought to be at the top of SSB tier, comparable to the likes of fatigued Base Vegetto or closing in on the weakest of PSSB tier such as initial LSSJ Kale.

So Dai Kaioshin with his God Ki, should have been more or less at the PSSJB level?

  More or less in what level do you have the level of Dai Kaioshin (before sealing Moro)? Gohan Ultimate level? Or something more like Goku Base (Post God)? More or less in what rank do you have it?

  By the way, could you explain to me a little the difference between Dai Kaioshin without and with God Ki?

 

[Captain Cadaver]

So Dai Kaioshin with his God Ki, should have been more or less at the PSSJB level?

Probably just slightly below it or at the bare minimum, he should still be below Prime Moro, who is solidly below PSSB Goku/Vegeta, probably about as strong as initial LSSJ Kale or ToP #17.

By the way, could you explain to me a little the difference between Dai Kaioshin without and with God Ki?

Without God Ki, he's far weaker according to Moro. Logically, he should be nowhere near Boo's current self after losing his God Ki, given how a Dai Kaioshin anywhere near as strong as that would have no problem dealing with Boo prior to or after he absorbed South Kaioshin if so.

 

[SIAD]

So Dai Kaioshin with his God Ki, should have been more or less at the PSSJB level?

Probably just slightly below it or at the bare minimum, he should still be below Prime Moro, who is solidly below PSSB Goku/Vegeta, probably about as strong as initial LSSJ Kale or ToP #17.

By the way, could you explain to me a little the difference between Dai Kaioshin without and with God Ki?

Without God Ki, he's far weaker according to Moro. Logically, he should be nowhere near Boo's current self after losing his God Ki, given how a Dai Kaioshin anywhere near as strong as that would have no problem dealing with Boo prior to or after he absorbed South Kaioshin if so.

But that Dai Kaioshin was not that he was weakened by having sealed Moro? That's why he could not defeat Majin Boo.

 

[Captain Cadaver]

But that Dai Kaioshin was not that he was weakened by having sealed Moro? That's why he could not defeat Majin Boo.

Indeed, that's what I was saying is the vast difference between Dai Kaioshin with God Ki and without it. With God Ki, Boo wouldn't have been a problem. Without it, Dai Kaioshin was at a disadvantage against either Pure Boo or South Kaioshin Boo.

 

[Let's Go Fearless!]

Dunno, i haven't keep up with the current power chain for a while now. I wouldn't be surprised if they're around God level of Goku and Vegeta lol.

 

[Ultimate Cell]

Dunno, i haven't keep up with the current power chain for a while now. I wouldn't be surprised if they're around God level of Goku and Vegeta lol.

Its a shitshow

 

[Tapion]

Wouldn't South Kaioshin being SSB tier be a major inconsistency for the Boo Arc?

Or it might validate the common Pure Boo > Gohan and Gotenks supporters' argument that South Kaioshin weakened Boo, just not in the way they'd expect.

Though Pell (the Kaioshit for U2) is stated by the Toei Animation website to be more powerful than South Kaioshin, so yeah.

 

[Pyro]

Wouldn't South Kaioshin being SSB tier be a major inconsistency for the Boo Arc?

Or it might validate the common Pure Boo > Gohan and Gotenks supporters' argument that South Kaioshin weakened Boo, just not in the way they'd expect.

Though Pell (the Kaioshit for U2) is stated by the Toei Animation website to be more powerful than South Kaioshin, so yeah.

Lol. What the fuck. Where's that image?

 

[Tapion]

https://web.archive.org/web/20170815224729/http://www.toei-anim.co.jp/tv/dragon_s/chara/chapter4/no02.html

肉体の強力さをもとめ自らも鍛え上げている。南の界王神の上位版の風貌。パワーアップ！
"Seeks to toughen up his body and train himself. Power beyond even that of the Southern Lord of Lords!!"

^Supposedly what is stated. Herms's translation of the quote calls him an "upgraded version of the South Kaioshin", so that's the general idea, lmao.

I'd chalk it up to usual Toei nonsense.

 

[Captain Cadaver]

Or it might validate the common Pure Boo > Gohan and Gotenks supporters' argument that South Kaioshin weakened Boo, just not in the way they'd expect.

Doubtful. He still powered up Evil Boo when momentarily appearing, after all, and Shin only commented on Dai Kaioshin as the one to calm Boo down.

Also, it wouldn't really support that line of thinking for Boo > Gotenks/Gohan, since manga-wise, there's no evidence that Pure Boo himself was on South Kaioshin's level.

As you mentioned, there's also the statement that Pell > South Kaioshin, coupled with the statement in the manga that Zamasu was stronger than any of the current Kaioshin. I wouldn't chalk it up as Toei nonsense when considering the evidence for South Kaioshin receiving scaling from God Ki DK is pretty weak compared to an official statement, with the most you can gather for it being surviving one of Moro's attacks (which at best seemed indirect and at most can be chalked up to plot armour like prisoners not being OHKO'd by PSSB Goku) and stating that Moro may soon become someone that he and Dai Kaioshin can't handle, which I wouldn't say is that strong when DK seemed to be the only one putting up much opposition to Moro.

 

[Tapion]

Doubtful. He still powered up Evil Boo when momentarily appearing, after all, and Shin only commented on Dai Kaioshin as the one to calm Boo down.

I meant that absorbing South Kaioshin didn't wield nearly as much of a boost as it logically should, not that it literally made him weaker. Should have worded that better. I'm a well known Gohan >>>>> Pure Boo purist, afterall, so expecting me to even entertain the contrary is asking too much of me.

 

[Captain Cadaver]

I had the feeling you were, though even then, Shin still only brings up Dai Kaioshin as being a major catalyst in Boo calming down. Elder Kaioshin's addition to the conversation does suggest SK had some affect too, though I think Shin would've made note on the new Boo not having all of SK's power if so.

 

[Tapion]

Regardless, can we all agree that Dai Kaioshin (at least) is absolutely made out to be Super Saiyan Blue level and at least much superior to Super Saiyan God level power in his original prime, even if inferior to Vegeta and Goku?

The fact that South Kaioshin was involved in the fight as opposed to Dai Kaioshin taking on Moro by himself still makes me think he should be within the same general realm of power as those two - something similar to the Vegeta/Gohan and Krillin situation against First Form Freeza, if you will.

 

[Captain Cadaver]

SSB tier is arguable (I personally do place him near the top of that tier, however), though definitely above SSG tier.

 

[Pocket-Gog~]

When Toyo makes Dai Kaioshin and South Kaioshin God tier.

 

[Tapion]

Still makes far more sense with the hierarchy than having them below SSJ Gohan