How strong did Goku get through the ToP?

[GSM123]

Apparently this is the point where the scaling for the anime went downhill. I see a ton of references to that improving ability (Wasn’t that supposed to be Black and Hit’s shit?) and some vague references to Base Goku surpassing SSJB at least three times in the ToP. How’s that a thing?

Also, there’s SSJB Gogeta clearly dwarfing SSJB Vegetto from the Merged Zamasu fight. How’s the gains Goku and Vegeta got distributed between Zamasu’s death and the Broly fight? Aside from the ToP, they really didn’t have a lot of time or opportunities to power themselves up that much.

 

[Papasmurf]

His base didn't surpass SSJB. Most of base/SSJ Goku's feats put him around 4th form ToP Freeza, who's not even SSJ2 tier in the anime and lost to SSJ Caulifla in the manga.

Anime-wise, Vegeta went in the Rosat and improved throughout the ToP while he and Galu both learned how to use PSSJB after they defused from being Vegetto. Hence, with the gains they got from the Broly battle (and the PSSJB state in the manga), Gogeta incised out FT arc Vegetto. Broly arc Vegetto would still be considerably stronger than Gogeta though.

 

[GSM123]

Didn't base Freeza's power scare the shit outta Dyspo after he clowned the SSJB tier Hit though?

In the manga the only improvement was indeed perfecting Blue. If they hadn't Gogeta would probably have been weaker than MZ Vegetto.

 

[Papasmurf]

It appears that Dyspo's power was retconned or something because he could knock away SSJGs and damage Hit in his debut fight but later failed to damage base Freeza by knocking him into a katchin wall or some shit. Later Dyspo only had god tier/blue tier feats after activating his Hypersonic Light Speed mode or whatever the fuck that was called.

Yeah the manga is more conservative about giving Goku and Vegeta huge boosts. Vegeta didn't seem to have increased his Blue power much if at all from the year he spent in the Rosat in the FT arc and they don't seem to have increased in power very significantly until the training they did in the Moro arc.

 

[Let's Go Fearless!]

"Saiyan gets stronger during the battle" was the excuse for Goku and Vegeta to get stronger during the ToP in such a short amount of time. Although that kind of zenkai already happened during the Red Ribbon Arc but was oversold by Toei.

 

[Captain Cadaver]

Manga-wise, likely no stronger at all outside of temporary states such as pseudo-Kaioken and both versions of UI. Anime-wise, it's all over the place with feats such as fighting SSJ Kefla or typical base durability feats, though he at least got a decent boost when considering how his KKx20 Blue self went from being tooled by Initial Jiren to pressuring a stronger Jiren with Vegeta's help.

 

[SIAD]

I think the same as CC and would take advantage of adding that in the Anime Vegeta was far superior to Goku in equal ways. Vegeta SSJB equalized against Toppo (FP), while the latter proved to be much superior to Goku SSJB (start of the ToP) and Golden Freeza. At the end of the ToP Goku and Vegeta were on the same level in equal ways.

I believe that Goku greatly increased his power in all his forms when he fought as SSJB against Kefla SSJ.

 

[VampireWicked]

In the Anime Goku in Base & exhausted at least somewhat stronger than Android17 level.