How strong is Jiren?

[Keedounan]

Not a debate or troll thread. As someone who's catching up on the series, I have no idea where he stands, but the amount of topics about him obviously point to Jiren being maximum. Is this guy top dog now in in the DBS series?

Well it was commented that Jiren suppressed was God Of Destruction level, & Jiren is stronger than Belmod.

Whis was talking about his hypothetical full power. Toei's site correlates with this:

 

[VampireWicked]

Not a debate or troll thread. As someone who's catching up on the series, I have no idea where he stands, but the amount of topics about him obviously point to Jiren being maximum. Is this guy top dog now in in the DBS series?

Well it was commented that Jiren suppressed was God Of Destruction level, & Jiren is stronger than Belmod.

Whis was talking about his hypothetical full power. Toei's site correlates with this:

Toei's updates the power levels oftern.
It says "His True Power is SAID to be at the level of God/Gods Of Destruction."

SAID to be, not actually is as in unknown if Jiren's full power is.

Whis's statement was made watching Jiren suppressed. If Whis has never seen Jiren before then how would he even know what Jiren's full capabilities are.

No comments during watching Jiren in action ever referred to him reaching any limit whatsoever.

 

[Keedounan]

Well it was commented that Jiren suppressed was God Of Destruction level, & Jiren is stronger than Belmod.

Whis was talking about his hypothetical full power. Toei's site correlates with this:

Toei's updates the power levels oftern.
It says "His True Power is SAID to be at the level of God/Gods Of Destruction."

SAID to be, not actually is as in unknown if Jiren's full power is.

Whis's statement was made watching Jiren suppressed. If Whis has never seen Jiren before then how would he even know what Jiren's full capabilities are.

No comments during watching Jiren in action ever referred to him reaching any limit whatsoever.

Who said he knew about Jiren's full power ? Or that Hakaishin level was his limit ? Not me anyways.

What Whis knows, however, was that Jiren was holding back a great amount of his power. As such, based on his performance AND the fact that he was heavily holding back, Whis made a rough estimation of his true power. The official site only favored my "estimation" argument.

As such, unless something new is revealed, there is no need for the power that Jiren displayed against Goku Blue to be anywhere near Hakaishin level.

 

[VampireWicked]

Whis was talking about his hypothetical full power. Toei's site correlates with this:

Toei's updates the power levels oftern.
It says "His True Power is SAID to be at the level of God/Gods Of Destruction."

SAID to be, not actually is as in unknown if Jiren's full power is.

Whis's statement was made watching Jiren suppressed. If Whis has never seen Jiren before then how would he even know what Jiren's full capabilities are.

No comments during watching Jiren in action ever referred to him reaching any limit whatsoever.

Who said he knew about Jiren's full power ? Or that Hakaishin level was his limit ? Not me anyways.

What Whis knows, however, was that Jiren was holding back a great amount of his power. As such, based on his performance AND the fact that he was heavily holding back, Whis made a rough estimation of his true power. The official site only favored my "estimation" argument.

As such, unless something new is revealed, there is no need for the power that Jiren displayed against Goku Blue to be anywhere near Hakaishin level.

That's my point, it's an estimation (not really your argument when everyone is aware it's an estimation) based on judgment or opinion not absolute fact that Jiren's full power is this or that again especially when Whis doesn't know what Jiren is fully capable of.

So until either the site or anime/manga says Jiren's full power is....
.....As of recently it was said Jiren is God Of Destruction level, perhaps even surpassed it.
It was never stated Jiren was pushed to his limit.

Just because Jiren may not've displayed Hakaishin level doesn't mean he isn't capable of surpassing it.

 

[Keedounan]

Toei's updates the power levels oftern.
It says "His True Power is SAID to be at the level of God/Gods Of Destruction."

SAID to be, not actually is as in unknown if Jiren's full power is.

Whis's statement was made watching Jiren suppressed. If Whis has never seen Jiren before then how would he even know what Jiren's full capabilities are.

No comments during watching Jiren in action ever referred to him reaching any limit whatsoever.

Who said he knew about Jiren's full power ? Or that Hakaishin level was his limit ? Not me anyways.

What Whis knows, however, was that Jiren was holding back a great amount of his power. As such, based on his performance AND the fact that he was heavily holding back, Whis made a rough estimation of his true power. The official site only favored my "estimation" argument.

As such, unless something new is revealed, there is no need for the power that Jiren displayed against Goku Blue to be anywhere near Hakaishin level.

That's my point, it's an estimation (not really your argument when everyone is aware it's an estimation) based on judgment or opinion not absolute fact that Jiren's full power is this or that again especially when Whis doesn't know what Jiren is fully capable of.

So until either the site or anime/manga says Jiren's full power is....
.....As of recently it was said Jiren is God Of Destruction level, perhaps even surpassed it.
It was never stated Jiren was pushed to his limit.

Just because Jiren may not've displayed Hakaishin level doesn't mean he isn't capable of surpassing it.

Fair enough. I was just reacting on your "Jiren (vs Goku Blue) = Hakaishin level" point.

 

[VampireWicked]

Who said he knew about Jiren's full power ? Or that Hakaishin level was his limit ? Not me anyways.

What Whis knows, however, was that Jiren was holding back a great amount of his power. As such, based on his performance AND the fact that he was heavily holding back, Whis made a rough estimation of his true power. The official site only favored my "estimation" argument.

As such, unless something new is revealed, there is no need for the power that Jiren displayed against Goku Blue to be anywhere near Hakaishin level.

That's my point, it's an estimation (not really your argument when everyone is aware it's an estimation) based on judgment or opinion not absolute fact that Jiren's full power is this or that again especially when Whis doesn't know what Jiren is fully capable of.

So until either the site or anime/manga says Jiren's full power is....
.....As of recently it was said Jiren is God Of Destruction level, perhaps even surpassed it.
It was never stated Jiren was pushed to his limit.

Just because Jiren may not've displayed Hakaishin level doesn't mean he isn't capable of surpassing it.

Fair enough. I was just reacting on your "Jiren (vs Goku Blue) = Hakaishin level" point.

My point is it's all Unkown.
Jiren's full power level.
Is Jiren stronger than a Hakaishin.
How much stronger than Gods Of Destruction is he.

Unkown.

 

[Keedounan]

That's my point, it's an estimation (not really your argument when everyone is aware it's an estimation) based on judgment or opinion not absolute fact that Jiren's full power is this or that again especially when Whis doesn't know what Jiren is fully capable of.

So until either the site or anime/manga says Jiren's full power is....
.....As of recently it was said Jiren is God Of Destruction level, perhaps even surpassed it.
It was never stated Jiren was pushed to his limit.

Just because Jiren may not've displayed Hakaishin level doesn't mean he isn't capable of surpassing it.

Fair enough. I was just reacting on your "Jiren (vs Goku Blue) = Hakaishin level" point.

My point is it's all Unkown.
Jiren's full power level.
Is Jiren stronger than a Hakaishin.
How much stronger than Gods Of Destruction is he.

Unkown.

We'll figure it out soon enough. For now, Hakaishin level at his full power sounds reasonable.

 

[VampireWicked]

Fair enough. I was just reacting on your "Jiren (vs Goku Blue) = Hakaishin level" point.

My point is it's all Unkown.
Jiren's full power level.
Is Jiren stronger than a Hakaishin.
How much stronger than Gods Of Destruction is he.

Unkown.

We'll figure it out soon enough. For now, Hakaishin level at his full power sounds reasonable.

No, Hakaishin level at his full power sounds as if not wanting him to be above that level.
Placing any guesstimated, fan interpreted, fan assumption, wild calculation, power level limit on Ultra-Instinct & or on Jiren right now comes across as wanting either or to be a specific level out of fanism, not wanting either or to be a specific level because it doesn't make sense.

Jiren was suppressed, never reached his limit, & his full power level is unknown UNTIL ANY OFFICIAL STATEMENTS CLEARLY say otherwise.
Not some vague implications, opinions, suggestions, hopes or freaking dreams, by fans, in-world characters, or guidebooks.

I mean absolute clear cut yes to the point.
And that's what i am going with cause i'm sick of vague implications by guidebooks & lopsided guesstimations leaning either way interpretations because fans want to see things that way cause there's TOO MUCH fanboyism.
And these so-called debates are riddled with that crap.

I'd like a clear cut this is this & that is that.
That's reasonable.

 

[Keedounan]

My point is it's all Unkown.
Jiren's full power level.
Is Jiren stronger than a Hakaishin.
How much stronger than Gods Of Destruction is he.

Unkown.

We'll figure it out soon enough. For now, Hakaishin level at his full power sounds reasonable.

No, Hakaishin level at his full power sounds as if not wanting him to be above that level.
Placing any guesstimated, fan interpreted, fan assumption, wild calculation, power level limit on Ultra-Instinct & or on Jiren right now comes across as wanting either or to be a specific level out of fanism, not wanting either or to be a specific level because it doesn't make sense.

Jiren was suppressed, never reached his limit, & his full power level is unknown UNTIL ANY OFFICIAL STATEMENTS CLEARLY say otherwise.
Not some vague implications, opinions, suggestions, hopes or freaking dreams, by fans, in-world characters, or guidebooks.

I mean absolute clear cut yes to the point.
And that's what i am going with cause i'm sick of vague implications by guidebooks & lopsided guesstimations leaning either way interpretations because fans want to see things that way cause there's TOO MUCH fanboyism.
And these so-called debates are riddled with that crap.

I'd like a clear cut this is this & that is that.
That's reasonable.

You might want to take a deep breath.

 

[VampireWicked]

We'll figure it out soon enough. For now, Hakaishin level at his full power sounds reasonable.

No, Hakaishin level at his full power sounds as if not wanting him to be above that level.
Placing any guesstimated, fan interpreted, fan assumption, wild calculation, power level limit on Ultra-Instinct & or on Jiren right now comes across as wanting either or to be a specific level out of fanism, not wanting either or to be a specific level because it doesn't make sense.

Jiren was suppressed, never reached his limit, & his full power level is unknown UNTIL ANY OFFICIAL STATEMENTS CLEARLY say otherwise.
Not some vague implications, opinions, suggestions, hopes or freaking dreams, by fans, in-world characters, or guidebooks.

I mean absolute clear cut yes to the point.
And that's what i am going with cause i'm sick of vague implications by guidebooks & lopsided guesstimations leaning either way interpretations because fans want to see things that way cause there's TOO MUCH fanboyism.
And these so-called debates are riddled with that crap.

I'd like a clear cut this is this & that is that.
That's reasonable.

Okay, you might want to take a breath and calm down.

I'm not getting worked up over it, it's an unknown.
No matter what fans want, no matter how fans want to interpret it it is currently unknown. I just disagree with assumptions of limits applied by fans simply because they want there to be one when no such limit was ever officially set.

 

[Keedounan]

No, Hakaishin level at his full power sounds as if not wanting him to be above that level.
Placing any guesstimated, fan interpreted, fan assumption, wild calculation, power level limit on Ultra-Instinct & or on Jiren right now comes across as wanting either or to be a specific level out of fanism, not wanting either or to be a specific level because it doesn't make sense.

Jiren was suppressed, never reached his limit, & his full power level is unknown UNTIL ANY OFFICIAL STATEMENTS CLEARLY say otherwise.
Not some vague implications, opinions, suggestions, hopes or freaking dreams, by fans, in-world characters, or guidebooks.

I mean absolute clear cut yes to the point.
And that's what i am going with cause i'm sick of vague implications by guidebooks & lopsided guesstimations leaning either way interpretations because fans want to see things that way cause there's TOO MUCH fanboyism.
And these so-called debates are riddled with that crap.

I'd like a clear cut this is this & that is that.
That's reasonable.

Okay, you might want to take a breath and calm down.

I'm not getting worked up over it, it's an unknown.
No matter what fans want, no matter how fans want to interpret it it is currently unknown.

Your little rant over "an unknown" pretty much tells me that you are getting worked up. My whole argument was that as far as we know, Jiren >= Hakaishin, and I've never denied the possibility that he could be stronger than that. You just assumed that I did because I think Jiren >= Hakaishin and wrote your rant.

Don't get the wrong idea, I'm not as narrow-minded as you think.

 

[VampireWicked]

Okay, you might want to take a breath and calm down.

I'm not getting worked up over it, it's an unknown.
No matter what fans want, no matter how fans want to interpret it it is currently unknown.

Your little rant over "an unknown" pretty much tells me that you are getting worked up. My whole argument was that as far as we know, Jiren >= Hakaishin, and I've never denied the possibility that he could be stronger than that. You just assumed that I did because I think Jiren >= Hakaishin and wrote your rant.

Don't get the wrong idea, I'm not as narrow-minded as you think.

I don't think you're narrow minded & trust me i'm not getting worked up, i'm simply saying whenever it's officially set then that's what i'm going with lol.

 

[Keedounan]

I'm not getting worked up over it, it's an unknown.
No matter what fans want, no matter how fans want to interpret it it is currently unknown.

Your little rant over "an unknown" pretty much tells me that you are getting worked up. My whole argument was that as far as we know, Jiren >= Hakaishin, and I've never denied the possibility that he could be stronger than that. You just assumed that I did because I think Jiren >= Hakaishin and wrote your rant.

Don't get the wrong idea, I'm not as narrow-minded as you think.

I don't think you're narrow minded & trust me i'm not getting worked up, i'm simply saying whenever it's officially set then that's what i'm going with lol.

Cool then