How to solve the Bermod and Beerus issue?

[SIAD]

I can come up with some ideas, such as:

Bermod was at some point stronger than Beerus, but the former grew old and lost a lot of power, while the latter continued to strengthen ever since. Perhaps Shin saw Beerus fight millennia ago and for the same reason, he compared a Beerus (Past) to Vegetto SSJB in the Manga.

As for the comparison that Goku makes about the power of Broly, Goku had only seen the beginning of combats between Champa vs Beerus, where both combats were stopped by the Angels, therefore, Goku did not see how strong they are.

Regarding the combat between Hakaishins in the Manga, maybe Sidra and Bermod were complete fodder and the only reason why Bermod is a threat, is because of his technique that locks up the other Hakaishins and at the moment of locking them up, I throw multiple attacks on the Hakaishins who were in a defenseless position and therefore, the Hakaishins were very hurt and due to that cause, Liquir could not defeat Bermod with a single attack.

 

[GSM123]

I’d say Belmond and Liquiir are just really weak. Not sure about Sidra since he literally saved Belmond and other 3-4 gods from Beerus.

 

[SSJ2]

Belmod's attack could have easily been some magic ability that overrides battle power.

 

[SIAD]

Do you think it could be possible that Gogeta PSSJB is multiple times stronger than Broly LSSJ?

What happens is that I find it difficult to see Broly LSSJ being many times stronger than Jiren, considering that at the beginning of Arc Moro, Goku still talks about how impressively strong the Warriors of other Universes are and then he talks about Broly as if not out of a very different league than Jiren's.

It could even be that Vegetto SSJB had a great Multiplier and that Gogeta PSSJB was tens of times stronger than Broly LSSJ.
Something like this:

Gogeta PSSJB >>>>>>>>>>> Gogeta SSJ2 (Hypothetical)> Broly LSSJ >>> Gogeta SSJ> Broly SSJ> = UI Goku (ToP)?

 

[GSM123]

Belmod's attack could have easily been some magic ability that overrides battle power.

It wasn’t even that impressive. Some gods panicked a bit, but after Liquiir broke out everyone got out of it just fine. No one was even hurt other than some paper cuts.

Do you think it could be possible that Gogeta PSSJB is multiple times stronger than Broly LSSJ?

What happens is that I find it difficult to see Broly LSSJ being many times stronger than Jiren, considering that at the beginning of Arc Moro, Goku still talks about how impressively strong the Warriors of other Universes are and then he talks about Broly as if not out of a very different league than Jiren's.

It could even be that Vegetto SSJB had a great Multiplier and that Gogeta PSSJB was tens of times stronger than Broly LSSJ.
Something like this:

Gogeta PSSJB >>>>>>>>>>> Gogeta SSJ2 (Hypothetical)> Broly LSSJ >>> Gogeta SSJ> Broly SSJ> = UI Goku (ToP)?

Goku talks about Jiren and Broly like that because he’s still far weaker than them.

I think Gogeta needed to use SSJB, but it’s definitely possible he went for the overkill like Vegetto.

 

[SIAD]

It wasn’t even that impressive. Some gods panicked a bit, but after Liquiir broke out everyone got out of it just fine. No one was even hurt other than some paper cuts.




Goku talks about Jiren and Broly like that because he’s still far weaker than them.

I think Gogeta needed to use SSJB, but it’s definitely possible he went for the overkill like Vegetto.

So if Broly SSJ is> UI Goku (ToP), it means that Goku / Vegeta SSJB are at least higher than 2% of UI Goku (ToP).

Did it mean that maybe Goku and Vegeta fired up while fighting Broly? Do not forget that Goku Base was able to fight a version of Broly Ikary that surpassed Vegeta SSJG. Also in the Manga, the narrator comments that in the fight against Broly, Goku and Vegeta became stronger than ever.

What do you think?

 

[SIAD]

I have this:

Beerus> Remove it> Rumoosh >> Mosco >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Beerus (Anime before Broly Movie) = Beerus (Past)> = Champa >>>>> Gene> Iwan = Arak = Liquiir> = Helles >>>> Belmod> Sidra.

Belmod was old, therefore probably in the Past he was much stronger.

Characters like Liquiir and Helles received many attacks from Belmod and unable to defend themselves, however, these 2 could continue fighting.

In the anime it is shown that Iwan, Arak and Liquiir were on the same level. Gene seemed confident in winning that match between the 4 if he joined.

Beerus treated Champa like a Decoy in the Exhibition Tournament.

Mosco was able to catch Beerus for a few moments, but the latter managed to escape before Quitela, Rumoosh and Champa arrived.

A very weakened Mosco (from being hit by Quitela and Rumoosh) easily dominated Liquiir and Helles at the same time

It seems that Rumoosh after launching his attack, hit everyone very casually and apparently he was the one who hurt Quitela who was paralyzed and later it was for Beerus. Rumoosh prioritized hurting Beerus and Quitela, as these 2 exceeded Rumoosh's power. When Rumoosh was fighting Beerus, surely Beerus was already coming to his senses and that's why he managed to defeat Rumoosh.

Surely after the ToPdel Anime, Beerus decided to train in secret, since he was concerned when he saw that UI Goku (ToP) was approaching him. That's why Beerus is so calm in the Broly movie.

I honestly think Shin compares Vegetto SSJB to Beerus from the Past, since Shin is kind of careless and doesn't know everything that is going on and he surely thinks Beerus didn't increase his power. Goku compares Broly to Beerus in the Movie, surely he compares Broly to Beerus (Anime) before he secretly trained.

With this we can continue to increase the power of Beerus freely, since only Quitela, Rumoosh and Mosco scale with his power.

Even so, I don't have Broly SSJ> UI Goku (ToP), since in the Moro Arc, UI is still spoken of as an extraordinary power. However I think Broly SSJ surpasses God Toppo, since this was the most powerful rival that Freeza faced. Considering that Jiren was very Suppressed when he hit Golden Frieza.

I also believe that UI Sin Goku (Suppressed) is at least at the UI level Goku (ToP), since in the ToP, Gohan and Piccolo stopped seeing Goku, just when UI Goku fought against Jiren (Beyond Limits). A much more powerful Gohan and Piccolo couldn't see UI Sing Goku (Suppressed).