How would you rewrite Broly's movie(s)?

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Normally, I wouldn't make such a thread. But Broly had such good concepts, which was ruined by an abysmal execution. I think it would be a shame to not have some ideas to fix this.

Non-canon movies (8,10,11), the movie from Super, pick whatever you want.
 

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I would make it so Super! Broly movie never existed.
It's better than the first three though. Please if you really believe this can you give me a serious answer?
 

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Fantastische Hure said:
Pocket-Gog~ said:
I would make it so Super! Broly movie never existed.
It's better than the first three though. Please if you really believe this can you give me a serious answer?

Because it's the most shameless Dragon Ball product I have ever watched, it's on an entirely different level compared to the rest of Super. It's completely devoid of all creativity, it's flat out fan fiction of the worst kind and only exists due to Broly's popularity.
 

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I preferred Broly's character in his "canon" movie from the oldest, most famous one. At least in there he wasn't a character that hadn't one layer of personality and shot Goku's name every time he opened his mouth. As for the movie itself, I somewhat dislike how it goes along the minus narrative, changing Bardock reason for sending Goku to the Earth. Goku being there to destroy it and end up protecting it makes up for a better turn of events and earns points in originality as well, so I'd likely depict Bardock's character as more resembling the special one led by Toei.

I'd also cut some meat from the final battle, as there were so many exchanges of attacks and blows that made it kinda dull imo. The change in animation exploiting its full technology rotation was nice, but I think they got carried away and added more to it than there needed to be. Probably add some line explaining how Freeza could maintain his Golden State for 1 hour would be also nice, as him having gotten rid of its stamina problem or something like that.

Not exactly a re-write, only some changes and added up explanations. I don't feel that easy at Freeza being used for gags scenes with the whole joke of his wish for the DBs, but whatever.
 

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Pocket-Gog~ said:
Fantastische Hure said:
Pocket-Gog~ said:
I would make it so Super! Broly movie never existed.
It's better than the first three though. Please if you really believe this can you give me a serious answer?

Because it's the most shameless Dragon Ball product I have ever watched, it's on an entirely different level compared to the rest of Super. It's completely devoid of all creativity, it's flat out fan fiction of the worst kind and only exists due to Broly's popularity.
Fan-fiction of the worst kind? FnF is a worse offender with even worse writing. That movie was all fan-service too and didn't even do that good.
 

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Fantastische Hure said:
Pocket-Gog~ said:
Fantastische Hure said:
It's better than the first three though. Please if you really believe this can you give me a serious answer?

Because it's the most shameless Dragon Ball product I have ever watched, it's on an entirely different level compared to the rest of Super. It's completely devoid of all creativity, it's flat out fan fiction of the worst kind and only exists due to Broly's popularity.
Fan-fiction of the worst kind? FnF is a worse offender with even worse writing. That movie was all fan-service too and didn't even do that good.

I would argue that Broly is significantly worse, considering Minus is also shopped onto it. And unlike RoF has barely gotten any flak for it.
 

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Pocket-Gog~ said:
Fantastische Hure said:
Pocket-Gog~ said:
I would make it so Super! Broly movie never existed.
It's better than the first three though. Please if you really believe this can you give me a serious answer?

Because it's the most shameless Dragon Ball product I have ever watched, it's on an entirely different level compared to the rest of Super. It's completely devoid of all creativity, it's flat out fan fiction of the worst kind and only exists due to Broly's popularity.

:dawae
 

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Ultimate Cell said:
Pocket-Gog~ said:
Fantastische Hure said:
It's better than the first three though. Please if you really believe this can you give me a serious answer?

Because it's the most shameless Dragon Ball product I have ever watched, it's on an entirely different level compared to the rest of Super. It's completely devoid of all creativity, it's flat out fan fiction of the worst kind and only exists due to Broly's popularity.

:dawae
:galu
 

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Funnily enough, I was soon going to create a thread on how there may be a side to Broly's character few consider that may make his M8 self not as bad as he often gets flak for, but that can wait for now.

For this remake, I'd place it about a year after the Boo Arc. Whilst I'd like to place it in the 9 days wait for the Cell Games, there's very little time to squeeze it in with all the events that were already crammed into those days such as the Rosat trips and Dragon Ball gathering. Putting it in the 7 year Post-CG gap could work, but it'd sacrifice the Goku element from Broly's character.

That said, much like the original movie, it starts with Paragus finding Vegeta and hailing him as the new Saiyan King, requesting he deal with the Legendary Super Saiyan that has been ravaging space. Goku looks in puzzlement whilst Vegeta laughs at Paragus' serious tone, the two transforming into Super Saiyans and telling Goten and Trunks to do the same, Vegeta declaring the Super Saiyan isn't as "Legendary" as it once was. Paragus is surprised, but tells them that this Super Saiyan is something far different, much to their shock. The group of Vegeta, Goku, Gohan, Goten and Trunks head to New Planet Vegeta and the mystery element of the original movie remains with nobody being sure about Broly. In this story, whilst greeting the guests, he immediately leaves after doing so. Paragus tells them that his son is shy but strong, the two having learned the martial arts of many alien worlds they have visited. It's not long after that one of Paragus' men states that the Legendary Super Saiyan has been found, causing Vegeta to head out to their location.
Vegeta finds the Super Saiyan they spoke of, a giant, muscular Super Saiyan with an appearance similar to Broly's LSSJ state but with a more mutated appearance. He easily defeats it without transforming into a Super Saiyan and spares it, saying that Freeza would've never been concerned with the Super Saiyan if this was the reality of its power. Goku and Vegeta then discuss what to do with him, in which the words "Vegeta" and "Kakarotto" are mentioned multiple times. It isn't long before Broly screams and transforms into a Super Saiyan, killing the unknown Super Saiyan with a Ki blast and rushing at the two. Paragus laughs and tells Gohan, Goten and Trunks that Broly is indeed the true identity of the Super Saiyan he spoke of and that he won't rest until their fathers are dead.

We then have a flashback to the time of Broly's infancy, with the plot events being quite similar to in Movie 8. Kakarotto's crying upsets Broly and being stabbed by King Vegeta fills him with rage. As he grows older, these two early memories stay within his mind, how a low class Saiyan could get under the skin of one born with power many elites don't reach in their lifetime and how the jealousy of a king undeserving of his role almost lead to Broly's death. Throughout the years, he spends time ravaging planets on the far reaches of space, though Paragus creates the crown to control him and has him used as an attack dog to gain resources. Though they could simply find Freeza and kill him at some point, Paragus wanted to gain all he could to put fear in the hearts of the surviving Saiyans and create an empire far greater than Freeza's from the shadows, finding a scientist capable of creating a clone of Broly; albeit, far weaker and mutated.

As Goten and Trunks attempt to rush in and help their dads, Paragus stops them and powers up, revealing he has learned to control his Ki. He is able to put up a fight with the two boys, revealing how training with Broly allowed him to achieve power he never thought possible for anyone but his son and as they transform into Super Saiyans, he shoots them each with a stun gun, revealing it to fire the same electromagnetic shockwaves that help keep Broly under control. Taken off-guard, the kids power down with Gohan stepping in. As this is going on, Goku and Vegeta are fighting Broly as Super Saiyans and being pushed back. They gain the advantage by going into SS2, but after seemingly being defeated, Broly powers up and adapts to their power. As the battle rages on, he ends up breaking the limit of his crown and transforming into his LSSJ form, gaining everyone's attention. Goku is shocked at the Ki he senses, whilst Vegeta immediately resigns himself to defeat in seeing it as his M8 self did, his far stronger link to Saiyan society making him know just how terrifying Broly is. Even as a SS3, Goku can do nothing and the combined efforts of Gohan and Gotenks end up meaning little too. Goku then proposes everyone lend him their Ki. Unlike in the original film, Vegeta complies, thinking it may have a shot. Whilst it does end up making Goku far stronger (and offering foreshadowing for BoG), it's still nowhere near enough to do anything to Broly. It's after Broly takes on the powers of many Super Saiyans whilst his Ki continues to rise that Vegeta even questions what their Super Saiyan form is, wondering if it's just a pale imitation of the true Super Saiyan before them. Given no option, Goku uses Shunkan Ido to bring everyone to Kaio's planet, with Kibitoshin then arriving to bring them to the Kaioshinkai.
They then question how they are to deal with Broly. If not stopped, he will continue ravaging the universe. They bring up the ritual as an idea, but agree it will take too long and not matter when even Gohan was helpless. Goku finally brings up fusion, requesting that Vegeta throw aside his pride and fuse with him again. Vegeta isn't listening, not for the reason of his pride, but at the sheer amount of fear Broly put into him. After words of encouragement from Trunks, however, he finally decides that if he wants to protect the family he decided to have as the new legacy of the Saiyans, he must first defeat this reminder of the Saiyans' past.

Meanwhile, Paragus decides to leave the planet after his enemies flee. Broly, however, stops him and the years of being controlled cause him to lash out at Paragus; as Broly crushes his father's head before letting out a bellow that cracks the dimensional fabric around him much as Boo did. He then jumps through it and enters the afterlife, attempting to track down Goku and Vegeta's Ki signatures.
Sensing this, Goku and Vegeta are given no choice but to succeed with the dance on their first try, being given no second chances. With the knowledge Vegeta had from watching the dance from the afterlife in the Boo Arc, they succeed and Gogeta is formed. Gaining Ki from Gohan and Gotenks once more, Gogeta faces off against Broly one-on-one, declaring the two Saiyans Broly's rage is targeted against are now one man ready to defeat him. The fight between the two is intense, with Gogeta's attacks pushing Broly to new heights. Keeping the fight in just his Super Saiyan state, however, Gogeta carefully makes sure Broly's body can't adapt to a full power Big Bang Kamehameha from his SS3 self. Whilst Broly comes close to catching up to it, the power up is too sudden and he eventually succumbs to the attack, being completely destroyed. The energy lost is enough for Gogeta to immediately diffuse.

The story ends with Goku and Vegeta discussing the Super Saiyan form, wondering if he was the Legendary Super Saiyan, what does that make them? Goku then reminds Vegeta of their training in the Rosat, how ascending beyond what they thought the Super Saiyan limit was became possible and concludes that perhaps what they have right now is just the first few steps of achieving the dormant power of a true Super Saiyan, offering some slight build up to Super Sayan God.

Fantastische Hure said:
Fan-fiction of the worst kind? FnF is a worse offender with even worse writing. That movie was all fan-service too and didn't even do that good.
At least in FnF, Freeza having never trained a day in his life and still having at least a 120mil peak acted as some justification for his gains when even Gohan had to train intensely to gain such power. Meanwhile, Broly's only training was with a beast who was at best somewhere between 5-10k, yet he's able to fight against God Ki users even without Super Saiyan.
FnF didn't damage anyone's character permanently either, unlike DBS Broly ruining Freeza beyond repair through his asinine reason for abandoning immortality.
 

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The same way I did when I was writing my DBS Remake fanfic. Broly is a Saiyan from the ancient past, who has been trapped in an iceburg or something for 1000 years. He is the Original Super Saiyan Vegeta talked about in the Freeza Saga. There is no seperate LSSJ form. Broly's only transformation is that greenish form and it is essentially his normal SSJ form, which is different from the others' because of a special gene he has.
 

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DB Minus sucks I agree, but I don't think that makes the new movie bad by default. Freeza's character was already ruined in FnF to me for some reason. He was also idiotic enough to realize the same mistake he made last time either.

Broly was born with a high PL too. Being born with a high level doesn't equate to potential Goku was born with a level lower than Vegeta but Vegeta's always the one trying to catch-up to him besides it was also mentioned in the Daizenshuu that Freeza was a mutant.
 

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I would remake it with similar orgins. So have Broly be born several generations before Goku and do battle with King Cold's brother and kills him while in his legendary super sayian form. Before he died, King Cold's brother did a powerful attack which plunged the planets temperatures into a deep ice age. Broly freezes in place on the planet and goes into suspended animation. From here on out, King Cold's family passes on the legend of the the Super Sayian. King Cold wasn't to fond of the legend and figured the legend had died with Broly. The he was just a unique Sayian and that no other had the chance to attain such power. Freeza knowing the story of the legendary super sayian, combined with the rate at which the Sayians were increasing their power, makes the choice to wipe them out.

Some time after the Buu Saga, Broly's prison is broken by a random meteor shower that breaks apart the ice he was in entombed in. His awakening is noticed by kabito shin and elder kai. Broly completely marooned, manages to get off the planet using a forcefield technique and slowly travels the darkness of space. He travels to a nearby system and starts a new life there. The planet he was on was Yaddarat, and with his interaction with the natives he learns the instant transmission technique. On his first attempt he travels to one of Freeza's former dominions. And gets into a battle with a remnant of freeza's army. This worries the Kai's as they do not know his intent and worry that Goku would sense him and try to pick a fight with him. They are aware of the legend, and they too thought he perished while fighting Freeza's uncle and now they are fully aware of his potential threat.

This version of Broly isn't a crazed monster. But rather a more a kin to Goku. Who wished to surpass his own power but also find others to further his skills. He does have a particular vendetta against freeza's family. So he went from system to system, wiping out Freeza's and King Cold's forces. Throughout his battles he realized that every member of the King Cold family had been killed and even got information of Sayians that lived on earth.

Eventually he makes his way to earth via teleportation, and finds Goku. Both Goku and Vegeta interact with him and fills in the gaps of the Sayian History, King Cold, Freeza, planet vegeta etc.

Upon hearing the whole story from start to finish, Broly was disheartened. Now he knew that his father was dead, and how many years had passed. And that he had the power to stop freeza but he was trapped on that planet. This boiled his anger that tapped into a well he had not accessed for half a century. Goku and Vegeta and the Kais witness the power surface and the Sayians of course wanted to do battle. Broly was not interested and retreats to Yaddarat.

Goku teleports to the Kais and asks them for help. He couldn't sense Broly's power, he learned how to mask it. And with the distanced between Yaddarat and Earth, it was harder to do so. The kais did not want to help him get there, for now despite Broly's rampage through freeza's empire was rather docile and showed not intent to hurt innocents. Both Goku and Vegeta ignore the Kai's warnings and being their quest to find the Legendary Super Sayian.
 

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Fantastische Hure said:
Freeza's character was already ruined in FnF to me for some reason. He was also idiotic enough to realize the same mistake he made last time either.

RoF was still recognisably Freeza, and it also made the attempt to turn him into a threat. DB Broly just side lined him, gave him inconsistent motivations, and turned him into a gag.
 

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Pocket-Gog~ said:
Fantastische Hure said:
Freeza's character was already ruined in FnF to me for some reason. He was also idiotic enough to realize the same mistake he made last time either.

RoF was still recognisably Freeza, and it also made the attempt to turn him into a threat. DB Broly just side lined him, gave him inconsistent motivations, and turned him into a gag.
Sidelining Freeza isn't much of a problem to me, after-all the movie is called Broly not Freeza. Freeza still got destroyed though and instigated the events so he still played a part.

Sure he might have seemed like a threat in RoF but there's still a bunch of stupid stuff in that movie as-well. Like Bills telling him to destroy the Saiyans. Neither one of movies are perfect but I'd take Broly any day over RoF I think. Not only that but RoF in the end didn't even add anything to the story it was a random event that just happened.
 

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Fantastische Hure said:
Pocket-Gog~ said:
Fantastische Hure said:
Freeza's character was already ruined in FnF to me for some reason. He was also idiotic enough to realize the same mistake he made last time either.

RoF was still recognisably Freeza, and it also made the attempt to turn him into a threat. DB Broly just side lined him, gave him inconsistent motivations, and turned him into a gag.
Sure he might have seemed like a threat in RoF but there's still a bunch of stupid stuff in that movie as-well. Like Bills telling him to destroy the Saiyans. Neither one of movies are perfect but I'd take Broly any day over RoF I think. Not only that but RoF in the end didn't even add anything to the story it was a random event that just happened.

Bill's telling Freeza to destroy the Saiyans appeared around in Super/BoG.

Actually, RoF is pretty important for the ToP. :troll
 

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Guilty by association. :fearless :fearless :fearless

All RoF did was revive Freeza and make him stronger there's other ways that could have been done without needing RoF. RoF did nothing to change Freeza and Goku's or Vegeta's relationship, it was just a meaningless fight. I guess Freeza seeing Bills is a big deal.
 

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Fantastische Hure said:
All RoF did was revive Freeza and make him stronger there's other ways that could have been done without needing RoF. RoF did nothing to change Freeza and Goku's or Vegeta's relationship, it was just a meaningless fight. I guess Freeza seeing Bills is a big deal.

So RoF is completely harmless then. :troll

Broly's outright harmful to the overall story.
 

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Not to mention RoF's way more obvious inconsistencies, to the point we had people from the fanbase arguing Piccolo was nerfed to Zarbon's level in the movie, as well as the suggestion that some workout from Freeza would be enough to best Goku and Trunks. In Broly movie we haven't inconsistencies like that that are noticed by any casual fan with a memory of the original events, plus the comedy of Broly's movie seemed pretty in line to me.

Well, RoF spawned MANLY Gainz Roshi, so there's that :troll


It's fun that I've read past discussions of ppl suggesting that if Roshi used his buff state to fight he'd be a badass and could maybe power-wise be relevant in the Piccolo's saga. And in the movie we have him using that to fight and beat Freeza's soldiers :king
 
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