i made some numbers

[Kyo]

suck my dick bitch, fucking lower lifeforms

Freeza

Krillin: 10,200
Gohan: 10,900

Vegeta: 30,000

Gurd: 7,500
Recoome: 39,000
Jheese: 39,000
Butta: 39,000

Goku: 90,000
- vs Ginyus: 66,000
- vs Ginyu: 75,000
- KK: 180,000

Ginyu: 120,000
- vs Goku: 81,000
- in Goku: <23,000

Krillin vs Ginyu: 24,500
Gohan vs Ginyu: 26,000

Vegeta post-zenkai: 60,000

Nail: 42,000

---

Freeza: 530,000

Vegeta: 490,000

Krillin: 250,000

Gohan: 300,000
- enraged: 940,000

Piccolo: 330,000
- w/ w: 275,000

2nd form Freeza: 1,060,000
- powerup: 1,300,000
- full power: 1,560,000

Piccolo w/ Nail: 1,360,000
- w/o w: 1,600,000

3rd form Freeza: 2,200,000

Gohan post-zenkai: 1,000,000
- enraged: 1,900,000

Vegeta post-zenkai: 5,000,000
- blast: 7,280,000

Freeza:
- initial/lunging at Goku: 5,600,000
- vs Vegeta/firing death beams at Goku: 7,700,000
- warmup vs Goku: 8,500,000
- no hands: 13,500,000
- 50%: 280,000,000
- 70%: 392,000,000
- 100%: 560,000,000
-- Forcefield: 1,400,000,000

Goku:
- warmup: 8,300,000
- full power: 12,000,000
- KKx10: 120,000,000
- KKx20: 240,000,000
-- KHH: 300,000,000
- SSJ: 600,000,000
-- KHH: 1,500,000,000

Cell

SSJ Future Gohan:
- 2 arms: 675,000,000
- 1 arm: 900,000,000

Future 17: 2,600,000,000
- Less than half: 850,000,000

Future 18: 2,400,000,000

---

Mecha Freeza: 615,000,000
- suppressed: 220,000,000

King Cold: 210,000,000

SSJ Trunks: 930,000,000

SSJ Goku: 1,150,000,000

---

SSJ Vegeta: 2,400,000,000

SSJ Goku (unseen FP): 2,360,000,000
- Sick: 1,300,000,000 and dropping
-- Weakened: 1,000,000,000 and dropping

SSJ Trunks: 2,200,000,000

Piccolo: 2,000,000,000

#19: 1,050,000,000
- post: 1,350,000,000

#20: 1,400,000,000
- post: 1,700,000,000 (this is way too fucking high tbh, he should be like 1.4b TOPS, but I'm in too deep now)

#18: 3,600,000,000

#17: 3,950,000,000

Imperfect Cell: 3,000,000,000

Piccolo w/ Kami:
- w/w: 3,500,000,000
- w/o: 4,000,000,000
-- Light Grenade: 11,000,000,000

Imperfect Cell (post-humans): 20,000,000,000

#16: 20,000,000,000

Semi-Perfect Cell: 40,000,000,000
- full power: 48,000,000,000

SSJ Vegeta: 40,000,000,000
- SSG2: 84,000,000,000
-- Final Flash: 252,000,000,000

SSJ Trunks: 39,000,000,000
- SSJG2: 81,900,000,000
- SSJG3: 185,000,000,000

Perfect Cell: 160,000,000,000

50% Goku: 155,000,000,000

---

SSJ Vegeta: 200,000,000,000

SSJ Trunks: 195,000,000,000

Piccolo: 150,000,000,000

SSJ Goku: 310,000,000,000

Cell: 350,000,000,000
- vs Gohan: 440,000,000,000

SSJ Gohan: 420,000,000,000

FP Cell: 660,000,000,000

SSJ2 Gohan: 1,260,000,000,000

Cell post-zenkai: 1,200,000,000,000

 

[SSJ2]

These are terrible. You have Namek SSJ Goku's KHH > M8 LSSJ Broly according to V-Jump. GreatSaiyaman tier list.

 

[Kyo]

M8 LSSJ Broly is a vegetable

 

[Yoshi]

Battle Powers can get so high when you ignore the Daiz numbers for the late Freeza Arc. LOL.

Do you plan on making a Boo Arc list?

 

[Kyo]

No because I got bored

Also I let the numbers get out of hand so it fucked the Base Saiyan levels relative to 18 so like they'd be messed up anyway

Too much bullshit to be aware of making these things

 

[Kyo]

I'll just lay out my issues right now

- #20 post is too high, almost 1.5x Yardrat Goku does not jive well with Piccolo's statement whatsoever. Problem with nerfing him is you consequently have to nerf Sick Goku. I honestly don't give a fuck about doing that but people would complain at me if I did and that's annoying.
- I've always been a proponent for #20 pre > #19 post but I no longer remember why. Maybe getting rid of that will help alleviate the above issue. #20 post should probably still be stronger than #19 post though.
- "Less than half" Future #17 is around one-third of his full power which is too low for my taste.
- All the massive tanking gaps cause Base Goku to end up close to double #18. Looking at the exact gap now, that's not too bad, but it's not ideal. It shouldn't be too hard to tighten things up a bit, starting from Vegeta vs #19.

 

[SSJ2]

20 pre was fine with 19 post absorbing more energy. Vegeta also struggled to track his movements.

 

[GreatSaiyaman123]

These are terrible. You have Namek SSJ Goku's KHH > M8 LSSJ Broly according to V-Jump. GreatSaiyaman tier list.

I’m not doing a tier list tho

 

[Kyo]

No

 

[GreatSaiyaman123]

@Power Level Guy his tanks are inconsistent let’s get his ass

 

[Warmmedown]

0/100, no working shown

 

[GreatSaiyaman123]

No because I got bored

Also I let the numbers get out of hand so it fucked the Base Saiyan levels relative to 18 so like they'd be messed up anyway

Too much bullshit to be aware of making these things

Base Saiyans > Piccolo supremacy

I'll just lay out my issues right now

- #20 post is too high, almost 1.5x Yardrat Goku does not jive well with Piccolo's statement whatsoever. Problem with nerfing him is you consequently have to nerf Sick Goku. I honestly don't give a fuck about doing that but people would complain at me if I did and that's annoying.
- I've always been a proponent for #20 pre > #19 post but I no longer remember why. Maybe getting rid of that will help alleviate the above issue. #20 post should probably still be stronger than #19 post though.
- "Less than half" Future #17 is around one-third of his full power which is too low for my taste.
- All the massive tanking gaps cause Base Goku to end up close to double #18. Looking at the exact gap now, that's not too bad, but it's not ideal. It shouldn't be too hard to tighten things up a bit, starting from Vegeta vs #19.

I’ve seen the argument that Piccolo’s line doesn’t limit the androids because the Z Fighters were expecting a really close fight. But with that logic we have little reason to think the androids are anything special.

And yeah Future 17 at 30% is poopoo

 

[Warmmedown]

Why is Krillin so strong at the start? And Gohan? They're stronger than Earth Goku? Krillin went from like 3000 to 10,000, with three months of image training?

So he would've stomped Nappa with three more months of training?

 

[SSJ2]

Why is Krillin so strong at the start? And Gohan? They're stronger than Earth Goku? Krillin went from like 3000 to 10,000, with three months of image training?

So he would've stomped Nappa with three more months of training?

He got molested by Guru.

 

[GreatSaiyaman123]

Hold on a second, you got 20 pre > Sick Goku.

 

[Power Level Guy]

@Kyo drops a list? And @GreatSaiyaman123 got rid of the woke mind virus invading his brain lately and dropped a good list? Now all we need is ahill to stop being such a devil's advocate and 2025 will be a good year.

I'll be looking through these later Kyo, and I'm bringing my microscope with me. If I see a .01% error I'm going to lose it! Haha

 

[Kyo]

Hold on a second, you got 20 pre > Sick Goku.

Yeah, good catch. I don’t like that either but that’s where I started to screw up a lot.