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but u just said that was said as far back as alabasta, i think. did luffy lose his power just so crocodile's power-loss could be justified?
Fantastische Hure said:i heard that it might have been because of crocdile losing his ambition he once had. i think i once saw a point being made that luffy & co. also lost their power when something affected their emotions (i can't remember which point was mentioned exactly), so that might make sense that way.
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Marineford makes it evident that his "scars" have nothing to do with losing to Luffy. The fact that Crocodile was willing to team up with Luffy, yet immediately became enraged upon seeing Whitebeard is pretty telling. Losing to Luffy was nothing more than a catalyst that helped him regain his former ambition. Nothing about that loss was scarring to Crocodile.
There's been a misunderstanding then. I brought up a psychological scar precisely because I thought you were referring to physical scars, as in, his body seemed impaired in a way and it's just now healed.SuperSaiyan2 said:What on earth are you talking about? I've been arguing that he has been psychologically scarred the entire time. He lost his ambition after losing to WB in the New World as I said above. His lifelong dream was to become the Pirate King, which came to an end once he reached the New World. Losing to Luffy had no impact on this dream because it was already shattered. It's shown pretty clearly in the Baroque Works cover pages that Crocodile refused to escape prison because he "didn't feel like it". His loss to Luffy made him reconsider his ambitions, and it wasn't until Luffy stormed Impel Down that he decided he would return to the game and eventually go back to the New World. It's pretty clear.
I was initially thinking that the scars would be in reference to Luffy's fight but if we're talking about a psychological scar then yeah it's likely referring to the NW.Super Saiyan said:There is no way to logically rationalize Crocodile gaining so much power by the time of Marineford, but there is nothing physically wrong with Crocodile. I still don't know what you're trying to argue if you think that wasn't the cause of his power loss.
That's a fair point.Captain Cadaver said:To add to what SSJ2 has said with Crocodile's scars obviously referring to how the New World previously destroyed his ambitions (something he makes apparent when talking to Luffy during their rematch), let's say for the sake of playing Devil's Advocate we say Crocodile was referring to a physical wound. In that context, considering he'd already shown greater feats at Marineford, then wouldn't his scars in that context be more likely to refer to his wounds against Jozu? Moreover, if he was referring to physical wounds, wouldn't that imply his Marineford self was even weaker than in Alabasta?