Imperialdramon: Dragon-Mode vs Vamdemon

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both from series i think

 

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Imperialdramon oneshots, nothing at all suggests that Vamdemon can compete with megas.

 

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i don't think i can remember exactly but was imperialdramon below blackwargreymon a-lot (if i can ask)?

also wasn't vamdemon > angemon (if u can & want to answer)? iirc that was left rather ambigious i think.

 

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also english dub levels are confusing i think. why is perfect called ultimate & ultimate called mega l0l (if i can ask)?

 

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i don't think i can remember exactly but was imperialdramon below blackwargreymon a-lot (if i can ask)?

also wasn't vamdemon > angemon (if u can & want to answer)? iirc that was left rather ambigious i think.

Vamdemon was above Angemon but far below WarGreymon and MetalGarurumon, unless he gained his VenomVamdemon form. And even then, WarGreymon and MetalGarurumon became far stronger through their battles with the Dark Masters and their henchmen and could feasibly beat VenomVamdemon one on one by the end of the first series. Imperialdramon Fighter mode was supposed to be above even Omegamon in the main series' lore, he just got nerfed to BlackWarGreymon levels in 02 because plot. But even in his Dragon Mode form, he managed to withstand Demon's hellfire, and Demon showed feats far above any of the Dark Masters including Piemon. Vamdemon doesn't have a chance without digivolving to a Mega himself, against any form of Imperialdramon.

Plus, if you take the movies into account then Imperialdramon Dragon managed to push back Armaggemon for a bit with his Positron Laser blasts:

(skip to about 1:25 if you're too lazy to sit through the beginning filler)

 

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also english dub levels are confusing i think. why is perfect called ultimate & ultimate called mega l0l (if i can ask)?

I use mega to avoid that exact confusion. If I said ultimate some might think perfect and some might think of the final form, lol.

I think the English dub guys didn't have access to the information that Perfect wasn't the final form and just assumed it was since it took over 37 episodes for the first Ultimate to come out, plus prior to the Pendelum II releases and in Digimon World 1, Perfect was the ultimate form.

 

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ye i think that movie can be seen as canon, since the writer also wrote 2 movies before, 1 of which is the movie that started all.

did imperialdramon get nerfed tho (if i can ask)? maybe anime has their own canon i think

 

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ye i think that movie can be seen as canon, since the writer also wrote 2 movies before, 1 of which is the movie that started all.

did imperialdramon get nerfed tho (if i can ask)? maybe anime has their own canon i think

Yeah it got nerfed compared to the original Digimon Series lore. Toei does its own power chains independent of the main series, which is why Imperialdramon Fighter still struggles with the same opponents Dragon struggled with. In magazines released around the time of the 02 era, Fighter Mode Imperialdramon was stated to surpass even Omegamon, and Paladin Mode was the absolute strongest until the release of Dukemon Crimson Mode and Susanoomon, Omegamon X Antibody, Alphamon Oryuken etc.

 

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were the magazines talking abt the digimon-series in-general or anime (if i can ask) because if latter that's contradictive i think i think

does paildramon lose this (if i can ask)? probably l0l. 1 of the kewlest designs (& evolution-scene), yet so low i think i think l0l

 

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Digimon series in general. In 02 the two forms of Imperialdramon (not counting Paladin Mode) weren't that far apart in terms of fighting prowess, and the narrator even said that Fighter Mode only had increased attack power which probably means he sacrificed speed for attacking power.

I doubt Paildramon lost anything. The second 02 movie is a direct sequel to the second Adventure movie which was confirmed to be canon in 02, and he could turn into Imperialdramon fine. There's also tri showing a corrupted Imperialdramon (perhaps a copy?), which likely means the real Veemon and Wormmon still have the power to become Fighter Mode at will, even if Paladin Mode can't be accessed without Omegamon giving them his data.

 

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And I absolutely hate using tri as an argument because it's the biggest failure that Toei ever produced alongside some other horrible spin offs for series and Part 2 OP filler.

 

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i meant as-in if this was paildramon vs vamdemon i think

 

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i meant as-in if this was paildramon vs vamdemon i think

Oh. Then Paildramon would definitely lose, in his first two Digivolutions he got knocked out by Mummymon's blaster and let Arukenimon land a hit or two on him. Vamdemon would laugh that shit off, he even took on WereGarurumon and Angemon together at the same time, and after a few days he even destroyed Ultimate level attacks with mere gestures and his fucking breath. I think Shakkoumon would stomp Vamdemon though, because he would just suck up all his attacks and he has the type advantage from Angemon being half of him.

 

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type-advantages were never mentioned tho in anime i think

 

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type-advantages were never mentioned tho in anime i think

They kind of did when they said Angemon's attacks aren't very effective against Digimon who aren't "dark types." Kind of an excuse to nerf him for 02 to prevent him from outshining Ultimates but yeah, it was mentioned.

 

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then how was he capable of keeping-up in speed l0l (if i can ask)? does type-advantage give him magical speed-boost (if i can ask)? not a good excuse i think.

 

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then how was he capable of keeping-up in speed l0l (if i can ask)? does type-advantage give him magical speed-boost (if i can ask)? not a good excuse i think.

That's why I called it an excuse. If it was fully justifiable I'd call it an explanation

I don't think speed feats are that consistent anywho, you have Imperialdramon being unable to avoid a blast of fire that Silphymon could dodge, albeit he was on the ground and she was in mid-air but still, Imperialdramon flew at massively hypersonic speeds and could circle the Earth in 30 minutes lol. There's no way Silphymon can move faster than him, the animators were just lazy.

 

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so angemon/angewomon & further are impossible to scale linearly (if i can ask)?

 

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so angemon/angewomon & further are impossible to scale linearly (if i can ask)?

02 seems to consider Angewomon to be stronger than Angemon because of her level difference but Adventure was inconsistent as f with that, he got oneshotted by Mugendramon and couldn't do jack against VenomVamdemon but actually managed to land a hit against Piemon somehow when WarGreymon was fucked up by him. It's really a big mess.

 

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did he fight mugendramon i can't remember (if i can ask)? also i don't think i remember him fighting venomvamdemon, i think if that happened i'd have remembered that more.