@Spiral-Force
If we know Buu doesn't serve another purpose, wouldn't Goku? The only association he had with him was battle.
Initially, Goku seemed confused as to fat Boo being within Super Boo and seemed to assume that yes, cutting him loose would weaken Super Boo, more likely, as he said "let's try cutting him loose". It shows Goku didn't expect to see fat Boo there, that their initial plan relied on weakening Boo somehow, but fat Boo there was something he didn't think, so he seemed to believe that freeing him would alter something within Boo at least, but he didn't make clear what, he seemed more curious than assertive, but yeah, initially he likely assumed it would make current Boo worse on a way, at least it would be worth a try.
Once Vegeta mentioned that fat Boo got turned into chocolate, Goku's mind seemed to have shifted, wondering about his friends who got turned into chocolate for no power purposes. So, since when Super Boo appeared there, Goku didn't follow up with his immediate "let's peel him off!!" reaction to the situation, he rather faced that as a no choice head on clash vs Super Boo, it appears to me he wasn't necessarily assessing fat Boo there as a strategical advantage to weaken Super Boo. Vegeta came with that idea and Vegeta got even more confident once he saw Boo's reacting to that --- saying "anyways, it will weaken you"... So it seems that, although Goku had the general knowledge that Boo absorbs to get something off it, he didn't reason that with fat Boo, he seemed to associate that more with the stances Boo turned people into candy without a power boost necessarily ---- otherwise why not simply hold onto the plan when Super Boo appeared there? If he had this sure ace up his sleeve, I believe he would act like Vegeta did later.
I don't push back on the idea that danger would linger regardless. However, two things can be true. The canon situation being dangerous, and the concept you propose being even more dangerous.
Goku & Vegeta discussing the worst case scenario (albeit with different reactions) just indicates that they ought to cover all bases because Buu's inner workings were still not entirely understandable, a theme pointed out earlie
Yes, but if danger still lingers regardless, that would explain their reactions. The canon situation would likely revolve around what Vegeta had witnessed --- the skinny Boo that came out of fat Boo absorbing him. Vegeta may know that Mr. Boo lost power once the Skinny Boo came out of him (we can't know for certain though... Could Vegeta sense chi when he watched the situation? He knew that Super Boo was way stronger than either of those Boos, but that could have to do with him seeing Boo's appearance changing, seeing Boo screaming and laughing afterwards --- now that he could sense for sure sense chi and know how powerful Super Boo was, he could have rationalized that Boo got stronger that way), but even if Goku didn't know that the skinny Boo coming out of fat Boo was not within a power threshold he could win against currently, he was willing to take on the risk, knowing they'd be training/preparing for that.
Regardless of Goku not knowing how strong was the Boo that came out of fat Boo, I don't see why his attitude would necessarily change, as in, being more cautious if he knew a dangerous Boo could be released straight away --- well, in the worst worst case scenario that they still weren't stronger in case that happened, there was also Gotenks and Gohan... Which he didn't mention, but which may show that he didn't think of Boo losing control with a situation like the one Mr. Satan described that made it happen --- shooting the dog --- as very likely, I'd say.
That isn't necessarily a counter argument. Good Buu and Fat Buu are practically identical appearance wise, so I can see why they may be referred to with the same naming convention until Buu got acquainted with the team and got a nickname. How do we know it wasn't a matter of appearance?
Because Goku didn't know about any change in fat Boo's powers, he was unaware he had lost power or had gone under anything until Vegeta summed up the situation without going into details. Vegeta didn't get to the power affecting point (if he even knew, he likely knew though, I assume). Goku had no basis to assume Mr. Boo was any different the first time he saw him, then he got a little bit of an insight from Vegeta, but still, I don't see how that insight would lead him to think Mr. Boo was weakened, power wise, i.e was a way weaker version of the Boo who he had fought.
I genuinely don't see what you're getting at here. Because Super Buu was a thing, Good Buu can't be different than Fat Buu
No, I'm just saying that Boo's nature is complicated enough that Goku couldn't know or assume whether fat Boo became anything less, power wise, based off that brief story Vegeta told him. I was mentioning Super Boo because if we think that Goku thought the split made fat Boo lose access to most of his powers, he would find himself puzzled, either way, as to how the skinny part absorbing the fat one would make a more powerful Boo ---- Super Boo ---- instead of it just filling the 100% of fat Boo again, if Goku assumed Skinny Boo coming out of fat Boo made fat Boo <<< 100%... So I don't think Goku had any idea or guess that fat Boo was weakened once skinny Boo came out of him, like, fat Boo losing power wouldn't, necessarily, be a logical thought he would get as the most likely scenario. He didn't say anything about it either, so it's more likely, to me, that he just didn't assume about any change in regards to power for fat Boo.
With Fat Buu, we saw this event materialize, while it was just treated as a worst case scenario for Mr Buu. Last time I checked, a worst case scenario is not the norm. Their understanding of Buu's mechanics still seemed fragmented to a degree. The conclusion that was reached (i.e. training for any such malicious Buu event) is already in-line with how Goku & Vegeta would behave with or without Buu's existence. Training and prepping for threats embodies their characters.
Sure, but even if the Boo coming out of fat Boo were already stronger than they currently could win against 1v1, that could have already been a worst case scenario for them ---- best case scenario is that Mr. Satan can control and live with Boo well enough and nothing like this happens ---- worst case scenario being Mr. Boo getting angry and giving life to a threat they couldn't handle right away, hence, them needing to prepare themselves. It's not like Goku noticed that they could still rush there to prevent the worst (skinny Boo absorbing fat Boo) from happening, he didn't mention this, didn't mention the time they had until that happens as a leverage they had. He just took the possibility altogether as a worst case scenario ---- whether that involves a Boo already > them being formed or if a next step needed to be completed for that ---- and then made their constant training a need in case that happens, IMO. A worst case scenario could be Mr. Satan nor being able to control Boo like Mr. Satan told he would from my PoV, as that is what can be extracted openly from the way they phrased the situation as a whole.
It's not like Goku was thinking Boo going off control living with Mr. Satan was a highly likely scenario.
Strength-wise, Good Buu could still react to Kid Buu and trade shots until his ki dropped from the accumulated damage. It appears the thought process behind Good Buu's possible success in a Budokai setting is that his array of unconventional techniques could circumvent having less firepower. It's also worth pointing out that that power levels were basically dead at this stage, so the creator has freedom to emphasize ability in relation to power however he sees fit.
Yes, but I see the fact Mr. Boo managed to trade shots, albeit for a short while, vs Kid Boo (who was >>> Skinny Boo), so doing better than Good Boo did vs Skinny Boo, as possibly showing/serving as evidence that align better with a fat Boo tier than a Good Boo tier. Yes, power levels weren't on Toriyama's mind, but regardless, Good Boo would be easily seen as a Boo << 50% SSJ3 even if power levels weren't introduced, since the "less than half" is still laid out there in the the arc.
But even still, the scaling implications of losing more than half, and what may fit better in a "more logical" way, as in, someone somewhat close --- not close though ---- (leading to Mr. Boo = fat Boo) being considered as a possible winner candidate, coupled with Mr. Boo not doing so bad vs a SSJ3 tier opponent (kid Boo), instead of that being performed and suggested later on by a not even as half as powerful of an opponent, a plausible enough evidence for me to see them as the same. We know the author has his creative freedoms, but it's also up to the reader whether they take into account the author not thinking too deeply in scaling consistency to support what they think isn't implied to be the case in the manga (which is valid too), or wanting for it to correlate in a more sensible approach with the statements and feats, which is also valid too, considering that would be another suggestive implication they could be the same when approached under a more scrutinized scaling. It may be a creative freedom, sure, but in-universe it also works as an evidence imo, as under a more consistent scaling method, that would still fit better if Mr. Boo were ~ 75% rather than ~30%. Of course, if we had a statement that Mr. Boo was still weakened just as Good Boo, I'd for sure agree with it needing to be a more artistic freedom... But I think there is room for debate... Not because it wasn't stated only (since even then, Mr. Boo being = Good Boo would be the default assumption), but due to it not being stated plus some evidences suggesting Mr. Boo may be the same as fat Boo power wise --- ofc, I don't think those evidences are proofs, but interesting ones nonetheless that may be weighed by some to consider this as a possibility as well.
Btw, I may need to learn to be more concise in my answers... I think I could make it way shorter, though sometimes I think I overstress some points to make sure I am making them as understandable as I can, so that's why I say my bad sometimes, since some ppl think it's tiring reading all that, and some think that it's a tactic to make the person willingness to reply (ofc, I don't think you think any of that, but just that I'll try to make it shorter in my other replies --- that is, if I feel I have anything else to say, maybe I may not have a point anymore).
@SSJ2
Oh I'm not questioning the accuracy of the translation, I'm just saying that Boo was still killing for fun after Babidi died. Mr. Satan did get him to stop, but it seems disingenuous of Mr. Satan to say he was being ordered to kill when Babidi was dead
Well, Mr. Satan asked Boo why'd he kill and Boo told him it was a pass time and that that's the way he was taught by Bibidi and Babidi. When he asked Boo to stop, Boo didn't hesitate much and said "ok"... So I think he didn't see that as a thing ingrained on Boo, more like that he was taught that but he managed to make Boo reconsider the behaviour until the dog was shot, as he also mentioned he only turned evil due to the dog being almost killed, instead of Boo being free of those troubling emotions... So it seems to me that Mr. Satan acknowledged it also came with its risks, but he wanted for Boo to be alive and believed he could control that side from showing up, imo.
