Just to get this straight...

[Fantastische Hure]

so...uh...piccolo is not all that strong?

 

[Void]

Seems to be SS2 tier, at least, which is pretty negligible in the long run when compared to Blue.

 

[Fantastische Hure]

Seems to be SS2 tier, at least, which is pretty negligible in the long run when compared to Blue.

But if, DB-Super Gohan is >>>>>>>>>> Boo Saga Gohan, then he could also possibly be Super-Saiyan 3 tier, right?!

Either-way, anime power-scaling makes no facking sense for the longest time I thought Piccolo surpassed DragonBall Z tier.

 

[Void]

I think he fits in around or between Good Boo and Grey Boo.

 

[Fantastische Hure]

I think he fits in around or between Good Boo and Grey Boo.

That sounds good, but then what about Piccolo being able to fend-off Frost for awhile. Are Goku and Vegeta's regular states still not God-tier?

 

[supersaiyangodgogeta]

base Gohan is equal to base Goku whom already far surpasses super boo. Piccolo isn't boo level.

 

[Fantastische Hure]

base Gohan is equal to base Goku whom already far surpasses super boo. Piccolo isn't boo level.

So what about Frost?

 

[supersaiyangodgogeta]

Frost is above the base Saiyans therefore above the 3 forms of boo. Piccolo is much stronger than frost from the U6 tournament but current frost is probably stronger than him.

 

[SIAD]

But Piccolo called Ultimate Gohan amazing and seemed to imply that his power was above his own.

He did it to deceive him and so Gohan lowered his guard. Thus Piccolo taught Gohan the consequences of lowering his guard.

 

[Jeff Styles]

I think he fits in around or between Good Boo and Grey Boo.

That sounds good, but then what about Piccolo being able to fend-off Frost for awhile. Are Goku and Vegeta's regular states still not God-tier?

I think it's safe to say Goku, Vegeta, and Frost aren't as strong as they were back then or Frost was able to somehow still fight with less than 1% of his power. Either way, Super has some bs power scaling.

 

[Pyro]

What? Piccolo was choking SS2 Gohan out with one stretchy arm. Gohan was writhing around, screaming "Where did you get such powahhhh!?!?"

He got him in the choke because Gohan wasn't fully in the fight, like Piccolo brought up at the start. Gohan successfully landed the only strike in their bout, whereas Piccolo's rear knee attempt was blocked even though Gohan didn't know where Piccolo would be attacking from. Gohan dodged Piccolo's green ki wave slasher nearly point-blank, which is when Piccolo lambasted him for not taking the fight seriously enough. That's when he got Gohan with his arm, choked him out, and mentioned how he lets his guard down at vital moments.

I don't see anything in the fight that would make me think Piccolo was actually stronger than Gohan ki-wise, let alone noticeably stronger as some claim. Piccolo capitalized on Gohan's weaknesses, that's all.

Gohan still remained on the defensive, failing miserably in his attempts to free himself.

Sorry, please have some buff guy get you in a choke hold and see if you can free yourself with ease.

 

[Void]

He got him in the choke because Gohan wasn't fully in the fight, like Piccolo brought up at the start. Gohan successfully landed the only strike in their bout, whereas Piccolo's rear knee attempt was blocked even though Gohan didn't know where Piccolo would be attacking from. Gohan dodged Piccolo's green ki wave slasher nearly point-blank, which is when Piccolo lambasted him for not taking the fight seriously enough. That's when he got Gohan with his arm, choked him out, and mentioned how he lets his guard down at vital moments.

I don't see anything in the fight that would make me think Piccolo was actually stronger than Gohan ki-wise, let alone noticeably stronger as some claim. Piccolo capitalized on Gohan's weaknesses, that's all.

Gohan still remained on the defensive, failing miserably in his attempts to free himself.

Sorry, please have some buff guy get you in a choke hold and see if you can free yourself with ease.

If you put me in a choke hold I probably wouldn't be able to break free.

If I put you in a chode holk you would get out easily.

 

[Fantastische Hure]

So how can Frost be higher than Regular Saiyans, but Piccolo be significantly lower? That's not making any sense, all-though Jeff is probably right.

 

[Void]

Piccolo is (seemingly) above the base Vegeta and base Goku in the U6&7 Tournament, and he continued training from there on until the ToP. I think that's over a year in time for him to get to SS2 tier. Still a big jump, but nowhere near as unreasonable as other power ups in this show.

 

[Fantastische Hure]

Piccolo is (seemingly) above the base Vegeta and base Goku in the U6&7 Tournament, and he continued training from there on until the ToP. I think that's over a year in time for him to get to SS2 tier. Still a big jump, but nowhere near as unreasonable as other power ups in this show.

It is a big jump in power, but everything in the anime seemed to point to the Saiyans' regular-states being above DragonBall Z level.

 

[Void]

Piccolo is (seemingly) above the base Vegeta and base Goku in the U6&7 Tournament, and he continued training from there on until the ToP. I think that's over a year in time for him to get to SS2 tier. Still a big jump, but nowhere near as unreasonable as other power ups in this show.

It is a big jump in power, but everything in the anime seemed to point to the Saiyans' regular-states being above DragonBall Z level.

All that base beyond god stuff seems to have been retconned in order to make Trunks relevant during the Black arc, and the other U7 fighters relevant in the ToP.

 

[Fantastische Hure]

Piccolo is (seemingly) above the base Vegeta and base Goku in the U6&7 Tournament, and he continued training from there on until the ToP. I think that's over a year in time for him to get to SS2 tier. Still a big jump, but nowhere near as unreasonable as other power ups in this show.

It is a big jump in power, but everything in the anime seemed to point to the Saiyans' regular-states being above DragonBall Z level.

All that base beyond god stuff seems to have been retconned in order to make Trunks relevant during the Black arc, and the other U7 fighters relevant in the ToP.

So all of Universe 6 besides Hit were really probably only on Cell-level at best? Weird

But that's why the manga makes more sense anyway. Other than the 10% line regarding Super-Saiyan Blue Vegeta and Goku that wouldn't make any sense in this case.

 

[Void]

It is a big jump in power, but everything in the anime seemed to point to the Saiyans' regular-states being above DragonBall Z level.

All that base beyond god stuff seems to have been retconned in order to make Trunks relevant during the Black arc, and the other U7 fighters relevant in the ToP.

So all of Universe 6 besides Hit were really probably only on Cell-level at best? Weird

But that's why the manga makes more sense anyway. Other than the 10% line regarding Super-Saiyan Blue Vegeta and Goku that wouldn't make any sense in this case.

Well, it makes a bit more sense that U6 has fighters floating around that are Cell/Boo tier instead of Super Saiyan God tier, and that only U6's best fighter is God tier.

Still contradicts the whole "You completely absorbed the power of SSG" thing.

 

[Let's Go Fearless!]

1/4th of Piccolo's power is weaker than Mystic Gohan. But a 100% Piccolo is greater than DBZ top dogs perhaps even SSjin Vegito as well.

 

[Fantastische Hure]

True that it makes more sense than to have mortals around God-Level, but I thought there was a thing called power-progression in DragonBall.

Fearless, I doubt Toei gave it that much though.